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And I'd argue GM's big failing on the car side of the business "badge engineering" the same sedans under multiple different brands/dealership chains rather than offering multiple versions (coupe, sedan, wagon etc) of the same vehicle. The truck side of the business was and always has been highly profitable with a model more like what BMW is doing with the 3-series range. You can get a full-size truck any way you want it. Long bed, short bed, regular bed, 2x4, 4x4, regular cab, extended cab, etc. etc. etc. And I doubt the forums were filled with people squealing "stop" when they decided to offer crew cabs and different payload ratings. "I'm buying a regular cab, I don't even understand why someone should be able to buy a crew cab? GM is betraying the core pickup buyer." Quote:
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i wasn't a fan of the V8 back to the I6TT, but I understand environmental regulations cracked down on all of the manufactures in the European Union. Fine
M3 Sedan and M4 Couple --> ok BMW I understand, doing what Audi does w/ the A4/A5. Something uncharacteristic of you to copy another competitors ideas. But again its a business so thats fine. And no more M3 coupe or sedan, 335 coupe or sedan 328 etc etc. Fine. All the coupes now are 4 series and the sedans are 3 series. Ok thats fine Color Choices- limited and controversial but thats the way the first year of production is going to be we can live with it. Fine M4 gran coupe now? No. This will make me loose respect for BMW and I'm a die hard BMW fanatic, from the time I was a young boy. At 13-14 my entire wall in my bedroom was covered in modded E46 M3 pics in a collage. I don't like the direction this company seems to be heading. I know it's a money grab, but at the very least if your going to do this, don't make an M4 gran coupe. Keep it to the regular models. |
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Personally, I am only interested in a cross between a coupe and a sedan, they can leave out the wagon part. |
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The M4 GC would be lighter and stiffer than the M4 convertible (unless the M4 GC weighs a lot more than the 435 GC and the M4 convertible weighs A LOT less than the 435 convertible model, in which case these bets are off) and only a bit more of an anomaly than the sedan (and number change) in M3/M4 history. What line does it cross that seems so wrong? High performance hatchbacks are definitely rare in the USA, so I admit you probably represent the majority, and my interest in one is a minority view. But what part of it is more offensive than another variant? Last edited by mdss6; 03-20-2014 at 12:03 AM.. Reason: typo correction |
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Yes, and it's an argument worth continuing, because aside from dedicated hair-splitters and those relatively few BMW customers who care whether the first number on the decklid is a 3 or a 4, people are not going to be able to tell 3GTs and 4GCs apart. As I posted before Mazda offered essentially the same look in the '90s. There is nothing new under the sun. Too bad all the marketing energy devoted to making 3GTs and 4GCs relevant isn't directed to helping US buyers "get" tourings/ wagons / estates.
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Here's a quick lesson in business: the best ones don't make decisions just because someone else can SELL something. They also make decisions because they know WHY things sell, as well. Do you understand what, say, a fad is? Those can be expensive and avoiding a loss while catering to one requires knowing WHY something interests the market. Metlife's aversion to certain derivative trading tools is a fantastic example of this. Get it? Last edited by Jonjt; 03-20-2014 at 12:30 PM.. |
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Being someone who is familiar with the particulars of work trucks, the value in differentiation is obvious. As such your quote (particularly the sarcastic delivery): Quote:
The idea in asking about the sedan/coupe/GC/GT differentation direction is no different from asking why GM makes different trucks. The answer to the latter is that different folks need different payloads and/or different amounts of space to move people. If the answer to the BMW specific question is simply aesthetic and "well, I just like the fastback style" or "BMW is predicting a market in the medium term wherein people want such differentiation in the cars they buy" is all that BMW needed to justify their design decisions, then all you have to do is say so. It's really, really easy. I hesitate to think what happens when you have a real problem. Does your head explode? (did it explode just now??) |
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I don't really care if BMW wants to make the M4 Gran Coupe.
I'm just wondering why they split up the names in the first place. The 4 GC goes against BMW's own logic of having the two door models as even numbers... They should have just left the name alone as the 3 series instead of splitting it up: 3 sedan, 3 coupe, 3 wagon, 3 gran coupe, 3 convertible. |
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