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12-03-2013, 01:58 AM | #199 | |
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Disagree. With fluid swap and a pad change, M3s on the track do quite well vs other cars, even "rough on brakes" tracks such as Laguna Seca. Also if driven properly using the right line, brake and tire wear really aren't that bad. PSS's aren't optimal for best times, but still can be driven on fairly effectively, if you know what you're doing.
Don't see the same for many turbo cars on the track, such as 997 porsches, which do see limp mode issues. Quote:
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12-03-2013, 05:55 AM | #200 |
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The 0-60 time of 4.3 seconds is very conservative imo. The heavier and less powerful Alpina B3 Bi-turbo does 0-62 in 4.2s says this TG review. And mind, it is to 62! http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/a...ive-2013-08-01
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12-03-2013, 07:57 AM | #201 |
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12-03-2013, 08:23 AM | #202 | |
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Because it seems you have no clue about what you are talking about ... My E92 M3 has seen 5 seasons of track use at the rate of 18-20 days per season. Never had any overheating issues except on the two occasions I forgot the A/C on on very hot days. Turning off the A/C immediately resolved the issue. As for brakes, I only swapped the pads with everything else stock (including the fluid) any never had any brake issue. Same story with my E46 M3 that saw track duty for 7 years . The M3 is wonderful multi purpose machine. Drive it to work, bring the wife and friends to dinner, fold down the rear seats and transport big merchandise, go for a romp in the twisties, take it on road trips and go to track days. All with one car. This flexibililty is the reason I have owned M3s for the last 12 years . |
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12-03-2013, 08:41 AM | #203 | |
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that said, the m3 is a blast on the track and IMO more manageable and fun. I too hope the next gen m3 is robust enough for the track, and has better brakes that are easier to swap pads in and out of.
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12-03-2013, 08:42 AM | #204 | |
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12-03-2013, 10:52 AM | #205 | |
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My takeaway from the Biermann interview is this: he knows that when BMW officially puts a 0 to 60 performance number out there what it means is, any customer can go into any dealership, pick out any M3/M4 on the lot, go to the local drag strip, get a firm grip on the wheel, step on the gas and achieve the advertised performance number. That's a pretty high bar and its, probably, got to happen better than 90% of the time it's tried. Anything less is going to affect reputation and sales. The car has probably been tested many times and found to achieve a range of 0 to 60 results. My guess is, he went with the one that best fits the criteria above. |
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12-03-2013, 11:12 AM | #206 |
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I've got to think that the lighter, noticeably more powerful F80 will be achieving improved 0-60 times.
These are the current numbers for the 2013 C63 AMG, from Car and Driver: "Our best time—0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds—came without making use of the 'Race Start' launch-control setting. Use launch control, and you get a very repeatable 0-to-60 time of 3.9 seconds" - C63 (Standard) Current numbers for the 2013 M3, also from Car and Driver: "[The] M3’s all-out 0-to-60 time [was] 4.3 seconds." - M3 0-60 times are fun to talk about but there are far more important performance metrics.
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12-03-2013, 11:19 AM | #207 | ||
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Any car can survive a regular track day, most amateur drivers won't be able to drive fast enough to really get it too hot but that's not what I'm talking about. I think F80 will be similar to E90 in terms of surviving a track day but of course the motor will be more difficult to keep cool, some people are posting things as if the E90 was ready to win Le Mans straight off the dealership lot though and I think that is crazy. |
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12-03-2013, 11:40 AM | #208 | |
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(fuel consumption in L/100km) * 2392 g/L / 100. Maybe I did the conversion to l/km incorrectly? To calculate the monthly cost (in Dutch): http://www.voordeelalleaardberekenen.be |
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12-03-2013, 12:40 PM | #209 | |
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Anyway, the fuel consumption was quoted at 9,1L/100km and according to the formula you used that would give a calculated (not necesarily correct) CO2 of 217g/km. |
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12-03-2013, 12:49 PM | #210 | |
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If the official CO2 will be less than 200g/km I will be with the first batch of people in Belgium that will order it.
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12-03-2013, 03:23 PM | #213 | ||
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I agree that beginners will not get even close to the limits of the cars, but advanced drivers will. And no, there are very few car out there that can endure track days as well as an M3 in stock form (or with very minor mods). Last edited by CanAutM3; 12-03-2013 at 04:08 PM.. |
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12-03-2013, 04:03 PM | #214 | |
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I was about to post a similar response; glad you did the legwork for me. Who assumes "semi-pro" racing when people are mentioning "track use"? And if, for some outlandish reason, this is what he assumed by "track use," which stock production cars are out there "race ready"? Is there any legitimate racing organization that lets people race wheel to wheel (I'm excluding autocross, etc. here for obvious reasons) without a rollcage...? The rollcage requirement alone brings the list of stock production cars down to 0. If the response to that is, "Well I meant semi-pro racing ready except for the rollcage!" where does this slippery slope end? If you're going to strip a car out and install a roll-cage to do "semi-pro" racing, you're going to upgrade engine cooling, brake cooling, et cetera. |
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12-03-2013, 04:17 PM | #216 |
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12-03-2013, 04:19 PM | #217 |
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M3 GTS and 911 GT3 came with a roll cage (or at least behind the front seats). But that is probably not the point here. I suspect that neither of those would be eligible for any race series in showroom condition.
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12-03-2013, 04:23 PM | #218 |
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I don't know of any racing classes in any organization that allow half cages, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. I admit I don't know of every racing class in every racing organization in the world. I would find it hard to consider any racing league that allowed wheel to wheel racing without a full cage though to be legitimate.
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12-03-2013, 04:26 PM | #219 | |
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PS. I added what you also said in your reply in my previous post. You quoted me before I got finished adding that last bit |
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12-03-2013, 04:29 PM | #220 | ||
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Haha, and sorry for quoting you before the edit! I'm avoiding accomplishing actual work right now, and as a result I'm replying to some of these pretty quickly. |
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