BMW M3 vs Alpina D3 diesel - fast saloon showdown by Autocar

Jmpascual · 07-26-2014, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brosef

my respect for Sutcliff continues to wane. he just loves to hate on the M3.

+1

fischer · 07-26-2014, 01:11 PM

Definitely this guy hates the M3. You CAN´T compare the Alpina D3 againts a new M3 on the track - no way.

Sportauto tested the B3 410HP (I´m sure this car is faster than the D3).

New B3 did an 8:14 on the Nordschleife and the new M3/M4 did a 7:52.

Oh man that 22 seconds....

cc3 · 07-26-2014, 01:15 PM

For an everyday drive the Alpina makes a lot of sense. Alpina don't restrict top speed either they quote 173 mph.

PhillyNate · 07-26-2014, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cc3

Alpina don't restrict top speed either they quote 173 mph.

In a DIESEL? HOLY SHIT!

ss134 · 07-26-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by darmstadt

Yes, we're more refined

I currently (at least for another 2 weeks) drive an Alpina B3 Biturbo and would have bought the new one if there hadn't been nearly a year's waiting list. The Alpina is more of a long distance sport cruiser, more comfortable and quieter (also faster). Why did they test the diesel and not the petrol though?

Please. The only increment where the B3 is faster is top speed because of the M3s limiter. Remove that and the M3 is faster everywhere. Post facts.

Sport Auto test results:

B3: http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/al...88.html?show=4

B3 Nurburgring : 8.14. F80 M3: 7.52 ( 22 seconds!!!)

B3 Hockenheim short: 1.15.3 F82 M4 : 1.12.18

0-100kph 4.3 sec. F82 M4: 4.2 sec

0-160kph 9.3 sec F82 M4: 8.8 sec

0-200kph 14.6 sec. . F82 M4: 13.7

Faster around a circuit ( not even close). Faster off the line. Accelerates faster.
Faster car. B3 more comfortable, quieter and more exclusive? Yes. Faster? I'm afraid not.

ss134 · 07-26-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cc3

For an everyday drive the Alpina makes a lot of sense. Alpina don't restrict top speed either they quote 173 mph.

I agree, it's a great car. My disappointment is with the way this review was conducted. The outcome was decided before a key had been turned IMO.

Crnamacka · 07-26-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brosef

my respect for Sutcliff continues to wane. he just loves to hate on the M3.

I agree, with that one!!!

brava09 · 07-26-2014, 02:01 PM

Wow, what a drama around here

The mighty M3 beaten up by a diesel

that's unheard of, we're seeing history been made

Who cares about diesels Anyway?

bmwm3redblack · 07-26-2014, 02:17 PM

what can i say ? Sutclife is the only guy who hates f80 m3/4, cause like someone said in another review he loved the c63 (raw power,sound etc) and now he says he loves calm,refine,quiet d3!!!!
That's ridiculious!!!! No words!!! Just a Hater!!!!!

p.s d3 is a great car but no way faster than m3!!!

auggiem3 · 07-26-2014, 02:36 PM

Did anyone else notice the service engine light was illuminated on the D3 near the end of the video?

M3OW · 07-26-2014, 02:36 PM

Autocar was not the only review to knock the new m3/4. There have been quite a few reviews that were pretty disappointing. That being said I agree there is definitely a biased in this particular review.

auggiem3 · 07-26-2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by auggiem3

Did anyone else notice the service engine light was illuminated on the D3 near the end of the video?

Minute 3:57

Alpine F31 · 07-26-2014, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KennyPowers

To me, a heavyish calm and stoic automatic sedan that looks like a base model 335 is not something that would interest me

I like the rawness and aggression of the m3. Sports car soul in a practical sedan body.

To each their own though

My sentiments exactly. I'd like the D3 drivetrain in an F31 M Sport. THAT would be awesome.

MrBeranek · 07-26-2014, 02:44 PM

I have not driven the new M3, but I can compare the 2014 Alpina D3 (though "only" in Touring and xDrive, since I have one) to the 1M and no way the D3 would keep up with the F80 M3. I do like my Alpina, since it rides beautifully and is very fast, but my stock 1M would beat it. And the 1M is way weaker than the new M3, so my guess is that the M3 would have to beat the D3 easily (I know that the tested was RWD and saloon, thus lighter and with less drivetrain loss, but anyway).

MrBeranek · 07-26-2014, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ixse

he missed a big point. d3 would've been great if based on m sport line. it just looks like a autozone parts job on the exterior. just looks horrible.

I also don´t get, why Alpina used the ordinary front and rear bumper and didn´t take the m sport line parts. The front lip looks good, but the car would have looked much better, if they started with the m bumper.

ss134 · 07-26-2014, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBeranek

I also don´t get, why Alpina used the ordinary front and rear bumper and didn´t take the m sport line parts. The front lip looks good, but the car would have looked much better, if they started with the m bumper.

I think they prefer the more understated look rather than the M Sports more aggressive look.

yousefnjr · 07-26-2014, 03:09 PM

the amount of butthurt in this thread should make mr. sutcliffe very happy

AustinYellowMakesMeHard · 07-26-2014, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ss134

I think they prefer the more understated look rather than the M Sports more aggressive look.

...which goes out of the windows when they throw in those 20" turbine wheels. Don't get me wrong, the signature Alpina wheels look fantastic on the e30 B3 and the B10 but they look downright gaudy on newer bimmers.

uae247 · 07-26-2014, 03:45 PM

This has to be the worst and biased review.

I am surprised that Sutcliffe is happy to do it that way.

The time when he "acted" like he was running them and timing them was a JOKE!
I think his foot was planted and he was steering right and left.

I just think that it does it for Autocar.

Very bad review and very very biased.

e92_m3 · 07-26-2014, 04:01 PM

Too bad the D3 is not available stateside.

Kurt_OH · 07-26-2014, 04:12 PM

So one car IS a diesel, the other sounds like one and revs like one, and they're about the same pace. BFD.

Mr T · 07-26-2014, 04:33 PM

I have driven both (D3 & B3) and own a new M3. If the depreciation on the Alpina was not so poor, I would have bought the Alpina. It feels more bespoke (Alpina leather interior is marvellous) and externally it is more discrete which is a good thing in London. That said the M3 does feel more exciting and externally has more visual feel. Performance between the three cars is very similar so it is a matter of preference rather than one been better then the other. B3 fuel consumption and M3 are very similar (20 mpg).

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fischer New Member 4 Rep 25 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Mountains iTrader: (0)	Definitely this guy hates the M3. You CAN´T compare the Alpina D3 againts a new M3 on the track - no way. Sportauto tested the B3 410HP (I´m sure this car is faster than the D3). New B3 did an 8:14 on the Nordschleife and the new M3/M4 did a 7:52. Oh man that 22 seconds.... __________________ Currently: F12 650i BMW X5 3.0sd M-Sport - driven nearly 200.000km Gone but still in my heart - X6M
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cc3 Major 622 Rep 1,333 Posts Drives: 1M, GT4, M2 M140i G40 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: .UK iTrader: (0)	For an everyday drive the Alpina makes a lot of sense. Alpina don't restrict top speed either they quote 173 mph.
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brava09 Lieutenant Colonel 767 Rep 1,683 Posts Drives: M4C xdrive Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	Wow, what a drama around here The mighty M3 beaten up by a diesel that's unheard of, we're seeing history been made Who cares about diesels Anyway? __________________ 22 M4 Competition xdrive 19 M5 Competition sold 16 F-Type S AWD sold 11 Audi RS5 Misano Red--sold 08 E92 M3 Jerez Black 6MT--sold 08 E92 335i 6MT traded in for M3
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bmwm3redblack Captain 59 Rep 886 Posts Drives: BMW ///M3 E46, BMW E92 335Xi Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: e13 osl iTrader: (0)	what can i say ? Sutclife is the only guy who hates f80 m3/4, cause like someone said in another review he loved the c63 (raw power,sound etc) and now he says he loves calm,refine,quiet d3!!!! That's ridiculious!!!! No words!!! Just a Hater!!!!! p.s d3 is a great car but no way faster than m3!!! __________________ Bmw 335xi/FBO/ black on black/ 6sp manual/Cobb AP/BMS DCI/AA BOV KIT/VRSF DP'S/VRSF 7'FMIC /FULLY CATLESS/H&R sport springs/ 19' ac schnitzer wheels.
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auggiem3 Captain 295 Rep 939 Posts Drives: F87 M2C & E92 M3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Washington, DC iTrader: (1)	Did anyone else notice the service engine light was illuminated on the D3 near the end of the video?
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M3OW Private First Class 8 Rep 199 Posts Drives: Bmw f80 m3 on radar Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	Autocar was not the only review to knock the new m3/4. There have been quite a few reviews that were pretty disappointing. That being said I agree there is definitely a biased in this particular review.
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MrBeranek Private First Class 27 Rep 105 Posts Drives: BMW 1M, BMW M5 (2018) Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Czech Republic iTrader: (0)	I have not driven the new M3, but I can compare the 2014 Alpina D3 (though "only" in Touring and xDrive, since I have one) to the 1M and no way the D3 would keep up with the F80 M3. I do like my Alpina, since it rides beautifully and is very fast, but my stock 1M would beat it. And the 1M is way weaker than the new M3, so my guess is that the M3 would have to beat the D3 easily (I know that the tested was RWD and saloon, thus lighter and with less drivetrain loss, but anyway).
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yousefnjr salty cowboys fan 6155 Rep 3,402 Posts Drives: ‘06 Z4MR, ‘20 X7, ‘22 M4x Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Bay Area, CA iTrader: (2)	the amount of butthurt in this thread should make mr. sutcliffe very happy
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07-26-2014, 03:45 PM	#85
uae247 Second Lieutenant 202 Rep 283 Posts Drives: F80/E90/E30 M3s+1M+Boss 302 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Abu Dhabi UAE iTrader: (0)	This has to be the worst and biased review. I am surprised that Sutcliffe is happy to do it that way. The time when he "acted" like he was running them and timing them was a JOKE! I think his foot was planted and he was steering right and left. I just think that it does it for Autocar. Very bad review and very very biased.
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e92_m3 Lieutenant Colonel 194 Rep 1,680 Posts Drives: 2009 e92 m3 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Bay Area, California iTrader: (0)	Too bad the D3 is not available stateside. __________________ Hellaflush? All I could say is "effyo'flush",*"flushnuff", and Instead of 'illest', I'm calling it "faillest"*. It's just form over function nowadays... -END RANT
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07-26-2014, 04:12 PM	#87
Kurt_OH Captain 12 Rep 734 Posts Drives: E90 M3 ZCP Join Date: May 2008 Location: Columbus, OH iTrader: (0)	So one car IS a diesel, the other sounds like one and revs like one, and they're about the same pace. BFD.
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Mr T Private 2 Rep 64 Posts Drives: . Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: . iTrader: (0)	I have driven both (D3 & B3) and own a new M3. If the depreciation on the Alpina was not so poor, I would have bought the Alpina. It feels more bespoke (Alpina leather interior is marvellous) and externally it is more discrete which is a good thing in London. That said the M3 does feel more exciting and externally has more visual feel. Performance between the three cars is very similar so it is a matter of preference rather than one been better then the other. B3 fuel consumption and M3 are very similar (20 mpg).
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