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      06-07-2014, 06:49 AM   #89
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M4 faster than 997 GT2 and Nissan GT-R. Yeah, sure! The fastest car in the whole galaxy. Fanboys.
Haha a healthy dose of perspective !
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      06-07-2014, 07:17 AM   #90
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Interesting. On paper, it doesn't look like huge improvement over the rs... Maybe I should just keep it and mod it. Ha!
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Those numbers make sense. From 0-62 the margin is small due to Audi's AWD, but in real world driving and on a track the M4 is a lot faster. If all you cared about was 0 to 60, you'd get an RS7! But you'd be bored to death in a matter of weeks.
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So from the Picture the M4 has carbon brakes... How does the RS5 stop in less distance, does the RS5 also have a carbon option? I'm not very up to date on Audi's options.
Yes and they are phenomenal !!!!
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      06-07-2014, 11:09 AM   #93
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Those numbers make sense. From 0-62 the margin is small due to Audi's AWD, but in real world driving and on a track the M4 is a lot faster. If all you cared about was 0 to 60, you'd get an RS7! But you'd be bored to death in a matter of weeks.
On a real world driving the Quattro is light years ahead of any other system from BMW or MB for stability and safety and the grip is ridiculous.


On a track M is the undisputed champion.
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Here is the results of the RS5 vs E92 M3 via Fastest Laps...

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/b...audi_rs_5.html

The RS5 is faster around 12 of the 15 circuits listed and quicker through the 1/4 mile.

Although BMW has been a disappointment lately which is what lead me to try Audi (and I'm very glad I did), I love both companies and both cars but to think the RS5 is some kind of slouch or inferior to the E92 on the track is just blasphemy!
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      06-07-2014, 12:42 PM   #95
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It seem the new M4 is a little bit slower than M3 e92 dkg 1.38.70.

M3 e92 manual has done 1.40.xx
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It seem the new M4 is a little bit slower than M3 e92 dkg 1.38.70.

M3 e92 manual has done 1.40.xx
Different day, different driver. Impossible to compare without the two cars being run on the same day, same driver.

The one thing we do know is that the M4 is faster than the E92 M3 in pretty much every way.
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      06-07-2014, 01:28 PM   #97
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It seem the new M4 is a little bit slower than M3 e92 dkg 1.38.70.

M3 e92 manual has done 1.40.xx
Different day, different driver. Impossible to compare without the two cars being run on the same day, same driver.

The one thing we do know is that the M4 is faster than the E92 M3 in pretty much every way.
It doesnt seem it is faster
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It doesnt seem it is faster
Didn't BMW say it is 10-15s faster at the 'Ring? That's an eternity
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It doesnt seem... it is faster!
Let me fix that for you. You were missing some punctuation, your post wasn't factually correct.
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Here is the results of the RS5 vs E92 M3 via Fastest Laps...

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/b...audi_rs_5.html

The RS5 is faster around 12 of the 15 circuits listed and quicker through the 1/4 mile.

Although BMW has been a disappointment lately which is what lead me to try Audi (and I'm very glad I did), I love both companies and both cars but to think the RS5 is some kind of slouch or inferior to the E92 on the track is just blasphemy!
The rs5 was nearly 3 years newer than the E92 M3. With more power and AWD you would hope they could make it perform close to the M3. One issue with fastlaps is the laps are often set years apart, different drivers, time of year, and specs (transmission type). Only when the cars are tested same day, and driver can something meaningful be concluded. In those instances the e92 came out on top a more often than not.
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      06-07-2014, 03:45 PM   #101
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Didn't BMW say it is 10-15s faster at the 'Ring? That's an eternity
Bmw say it is ... BUT which is real Nordschleife time? Bmw say 7'50" but in this Autozeitung test the result is another. Probably the weather conditions, probably the driver but it doesn't seem faster
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      06-07-2014, 05:17 PM   #102
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On a real world driving the Quattro is light years ahead of any other system from BMW or MB for stability and safety and the grip is ridiculous.


On a track M is the undisputed champion.
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what's your point?
Porsche is mid-engine (Cayman) or rear-engine (911) and Audi and BMW are front engine with reverse weight distribution!! why do you compare Porsche to Audi or BMW??!!
and why it's important to you that Porsche disengages the AWD and Audi does not???
you quoted on CCB that Audi has better CCB because has shorter stop and I said it's because of Quattro (or whatever you call marketing hoax) and I know Audi stops shorter!
I am only trying to explain that the marketing text you have posted is not fully correct.

"Torsen-based quattro system also offers an advantage..while braking" this is only theoretically true under low load.
Under full load, ABS breaking, the 4wheel drive system is interfering with the ABS control system in a negative way and is not supporting the brakes.

Therefore it might increases the stopping distance or being neutral.

The reason why the Audi is stopping faster is because Audi spend more time on calibrating the ABS System of the CCB+tires, definitely not because of "quattro"

And there is a Panamera 4 which I was referring to, with front engine and 4 wheel drive.
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      06-07-2014, 09:31 PM   #104
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With DCT and CCBs but without leather seats ... Weight of this car 1.615kg vs. 1.788kg for the RS5.
Good grief.

I ALMOST believed BMW when they said this car was lighter than the prior version.

I weighed my E90 M3 last week: 3620lbs. LOL @ only 60lbs less than this M4 that has carbon roof and carbon brakes. Mine has DCT, leather, nav, cold weather, competition, premium pkgs ...

All this ALLEGED weight savings is a joke.
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It doesnt seem... it is faster!
Let me fix that for you. You were missing some punctuation, your post wasn't factually correct.
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I think we often get too obsessed with lap times that a professional driver sets on a track with so many variables.

For me at least, my E92 M (and my F82 soon) is my only car. I actually do have to use it to go get groceries, go get my hair cut in 95 degree weather, go to dinner and things people generally use cars for. I also do track it pretty hard.

I have one parking spot in my condo and I love that I can take my parents on a road trip, thanks to the 4 seats or I can go on a drive with my friends who have cars varying from an Exige S to a P85 or go on a date and not look out of place.

Honestly, if the M4 remains the most complete 2+2 sub-100k GT car, I'll be happy. If a C7 Vette beats it in some test or some other car in another - I won't care. It just has to keep driving in any scenario fun.
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Different day, different driver. Impossible to compare without the two cars being run on the same day, same driver.

The one thing we do know is that the M4 is faster than the E92 M3 in pretty much every way.
Marginally. The whole "different days, different drivers" is getting blown out of proportion here. We're not looking at tenths of seconds, we're looking at multiple seconds. It's not like one of the cars was driven by a novice group DE driver and the other Hans Stuck. They're all driven by typical journalists. (90% of these guys will be within 2 sec of one another.)

The M4 will be quicker than the e92, but in the same league.

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Didn't BMW say it is 10-15s faster at the 'Ring? That's an eternity
Stop giving BMW a pass. If you DON'T OFFICIALLY QUOTE LAP TIMES THEN DON'T BOTHER QUOTING LAP TIME DELTAS !!!!!!!

10-15s faster than unknown = unknown

If they step up and actually quote a lap time, fine, but they DID NOT say 10-15 sec faster than the Sport Auto Test result of 8:05.

Unknown - 10 sec = Unknown !!!

Sorry for rant, but BMW get no respect for not quoting lap times. The good news is the Sport Auto test is around the corner.

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M4 faster than 997 GT2 and Nissan GT-R. Yeah, sure! The fastest car in the whole galaxy. Fanboys.
When the thread was originally posted, it said the lap was on the Nurburgring GP track, which was incorrect. People started looking up lap times for that track instead of the Autozeitung Test Track config (same track, different configuration).
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It just has to keep driving in any scenario fun.
Good point.
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      06-08-2014, 11:03 AM   #110
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http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/autoze...est_track.html

26. M3 1'38"70

30. M4 1'38"90

I'm sure the M4 will be the best M BUT Bmw Marketing said it'd be much much faster and much lighter then e92 . I think that's not true
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