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The P66 (DTM V8) is a clean sheet design The P65B40 in the M3 GT was based on the P60B40 of the M3 GTR The P65B44 is a stroked S65, cross-plane & all
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From all the videos I have seen until now, the new M3 sounds very similar to the N54 engine with BMW Performance Exhaust (minus the upshift and downshift sounds which are completely different due to cylinder shut-off). Yes I did not hear it in person but if you could never replicate sounds via digital means then you wouldn't have MP3 files and could only hear the artists by going to concerts. So I consider the videos sufficient to make my own decision.
After all, I'm not sure how people would reasonably expect it to sound different, since much of the mechanical and induction noise is muffled by the turbine blades (like you can clearly read in the interview with the BMW M exhaust expert) ? It's just the typical BMW I6 twin-turbo sound (which keeps its signature even with different exhaust brands). You can hear this yourself in all the videos. However, the synthetized inside cabin sound sounds like a fake V8 sound, which is really stupid from BMW if you ask me. Hopefully someone figures out where is the fuse that you can remove to disable that stupidity. However it does not mean it sounds bad at all. An N54/N55 can sound great with the right exhaust. As for the performance, I am sure the S55 is a monster. It will destroy the S65 in every way but one: throttle response. It will never be as sharp as the S65, because it's a classical twin-turbo engine (with some smart gimmicks). If you read carefully the posts of the owner of the first F80 M3 (which also owns an old V8 M3) you will clearly read this remark. I drove an e92 V8 M3 and multiple N54 cars (Z4M, 1M), and basically I realized that you cannot replicate the V8 M3's throttle response, it's impossible, regardless of the short air paths between the turbos and engine, because the main problem is not the air path length but the turbine inertia itself. The short air paths can help with lag, but not with the same-millisecond throttle response. |
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And if we talk about TT inline 6 engines, the Supra with the 2jz-GTE and the GT-R with the RB26 both with stock exhaust sound better (to my ears) than S55. And with Mercedes introducting Inline 6 engines again, we may see how theirs stands up aurally to the S55 and the B58. I don't think it's whining, it's a legitimate complaint. Many who have tested the car have said the same thing consistently. That should tell you something. |
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And next season, DTM is also going with turbo charging, so that will be the end of those racing V8's as well. |
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I have owned four E92 M3s and I can tell you that I am not excited about the M4 like I was back in 2009 when I owned my first M car. The S65 engine was the best engine that BMW has produce for an M car to date. I don't care for turbo engines, I would have rather see a supercharged engine than a bi-turbo. BMW has become the environmentally friendly company compromising performance with luxury, comfort, technology and fuel consumption. I am brand loyalist but I think this time I am looking to jump to the other side to the company that BMW has always been trying to catch up to.
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I love the look of your E92 M3 on your signature. Looks stealth.
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The DTM engines have nothing to do with street cars. I've mentioned above the continued development of the S65-based platform in GT series in the Z4 GT3 & GTE.
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Lot of opinions that say the engine makes an M car.
I think history shows that the chassis is the driving component behind an M car. It is the reason you cannot make an M3 from a 335i by adding boost. That debate has been exhausted thoroughly on this site and one conclusion always remains, the "series" car will never handle as well. Even see that most M3 engines (exception s65) were hopped up versions of the "series" engines, but it was the chassis that defined the car. If the engine MADE the M car, why is the 1M sought after and reviewed so glowingly? Remember, they did not even pretend that is was an "M" engine, and when people drove it, that did not matter. It was the chassis, LSD, appearance, power combination. In conclusion, yes, the S65 should be regarded as one of the best production engines, it was magnificent, but to disgrace the new M3 M4 cars as a whole based on the engine character/sound only is a fallacy. |
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And we all know that the 1M, as good as it is, was a rush job, and aside from putting in the S65, which we all know they would not have done, best alternative and cheapest one, was an already existing engine. |
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I think his review is right on the money, for us that crave normally aspirated sleds are going to have a hard time with the sound of this car. The rest of the car is going to be brilliant, but still have to drive one and "feel" one before I would ever commit to getting rid of the E92. Right now I have to be honest, I am waiting to see what Ford does with some of its SE Mustangs coming out ala GT350 and such, or if I could afford one I am going back to PCar if I ever sell the E92. I really am hoping I warm up to the F8X, its at a great price point for what you get.
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