Hex Tune or BM3

[GlazierGlaze]

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Does that look like trying to prove something or a statement about their product?

This.

I've been very critical about VF's advertised boost levels for some time now as I've always said that was too much boost on pump gas, even 93 octane and I've seen multiple datalogs proving my point.

It appears VF is backing away from these previously advertised boost pressures. Did VF lower their boost pressures in the newest iterations? If so, was it because those boost pressures were too much for pump fuels, like I've been saying all along?

That being said, there are only a few people in this thread with the qualifications to judge any tune. I chose BM3 for several reasons, one of which was their OTS tune safety as the boost pressures being run are well within what I feel is the margin of safety on pump fuel. I've analyzed the OTS tunes in-depth and can honestly say, all of the DME's safety features are intact and the tune itself is running well within what I'd consider safe levels for all tuning parameters. While I will custom tune my own car (the biggest reason I chose BM3), I have no issues running the PTF OTS tunes at all and that says a lot, as I don't typically trust tuners other than myself (for good reason).

[1FastS4]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Does that look like trying to prove something or a statement about their product?

Dude, it's right there in your face.

The link to the original post with a thorough explanation.

You're not sharing information for the sake of discussion. You're being a troll.

Originally Posted by VF-Engineering

Stage ONE makes 24 PSI
Stage TWO/TWO+ makes 26 PSI

For testing purposes we measure boost pressure mechanically inside the intake manifold. Boost readings will vary depending on the tools/equipment used and the location where you are measuring from, as well as atmospheric and operating conditions of each vehicle. This seems to be the source of the rumored "22psi flash tune limit".
Example: If you're taking the reading from the MAP sensor located on the charge cooler, it is limited to 1.5bar (or roughly 22psi).

We understand why people are curious about boost levels, but just want to make sure it's understood that this is a single data point, and many other factors go into turning boost into consistent, usable, and reliable power.

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Originally Posted by 1FastS4

Dude, it's right there in your face.

The link to the original post with a thorough explanation.

You're not sharing information for the sake of discussion. You're being a troll.

No. No he's not.

VF has stated, on multiple occasions, that these are the advertised boost pressures for each of their "stages".

[applesauce683]

Originally Posted by 1FastS4

Comedy gold is your lack of basic reading comprehension.
Or maybe you're playing dense on purpose since all of your talk about VF/HEX only making more power because of "moar boost" just went out the window.

It'll be obvious to anyone who's not already on team BM3 to see that HEX Tuning is the real deal. BM3 has an intriguing platform and it's cheaper, sure! But the difference between team BM3 and HEX owners is that we're not trying to discredit BM3 to make ourselves feel better.

And if you think my last post with the photos from ShiftS3ctor was bragging, you might want to work on your self esteem. I'm sure there's plenty of people who appreciate seeing the difference between different cars even if it's not a straight apples to apples comparison.

Isn't that what your entire forum life is devoted to? Probably 80% of your posts are in BM3 threads, trying to prove HEX is better.

[alz0rz]

Originally Posted by CaryTheLabelGuy

No. No he's not.

VF has stated, on multiple occasions, that these are the advertised boost pressures for each of their "stages".

Yes, yes he is. You can "qualify" yourself all you want, preach to your own choir.

[Mjaspreet]

So does anyone have any dyno charts with bm3 and hex on the same car?

[applesauce683]

Originally Posted by alz0rz

Yes, yes he is. You can "qualify" yourself all you want, preach to your own choir.

No he is not. VF stated above that it was stage two+ with race fuel that was running at 26psi. But in their previous postings from last year it clearly says they are running stage one at 24 and stage two at 26. 1FastS4 even quotes them multiple times saying the same thing. So which is it? Did they lower the psi across the board since then or was it never that high to begin with?

[CaryTheLabelGuy]

Originally Posted by alz0rz

Yes, yes he is. You can "qualify" yourself all you want, preach to your own choir.

Whenever you want to compare résumés in the tuning and R&D field, just let me know.

[alz0rz]

Originally Posted by applesauce683

No he is not. VF stated above that it was stage two+ with race fuel that was running at 26psi. But in their previous postings from last year it clearly says they are running stage one at 24 and stage two at 26. 1FastS4 even quotes them multiple times saying the same thing. So which is it? Did they lower the psi across the board since then or was it never that high to begin with?

I can't answer that question but whether they have changed boost targets on their various stages or not, the fact remains that the vendor just posted stating that as it stands today Stage 1 targets 20 psi, 2 targets 22 psi. I personally only have experience with Stage 1.

[Pak317]

I am seriously thinking of trying out BM3 even though I already have the HEX stage1. If I do purchase, I will do a dyno comparison stage 1 vs stage 1

Does anyone know if the BM3 tune sounds similar to the HEX with the throttle overrun?

[F80Paul]

I've seen what 25psi looks like on 93 octane, and it's not pretty.

[Sleeper]

The emotion and anger in this thread is top notch . Nothing like a 'this tune' vs. 'that tune' thread to bring out the sandiest of vagina's.

Reminds me of the Shiv vs. Terry fights, or the APR vs Revo (and sometimes vs GIAC) fights on the Audi boards, or the Cobb vs EcuTek fights, or the MoTec vs Autronic fights... all equally fantastic.

[VF-Engineering]

Boost levels for Stage ONE and Stage TWO have not changed since our
official re-release last May, 2015.

We have also never advertised our boost levels as a selling point of our
software.

In fact we avoided the boost pressure discussion for as long as possible
since the inquires we were receiving were not necessarily from potential
customers, but also would-be competitors.

Aside from the rumors that "flash tunes cannot produce more than 22psi"
it was also commonly believed that "all off-the-shelf-tunes come from
the same source".

The discussion points in that thread back in July, 2015 were in direct
response to those rumors and an attempt to differentiate ourselves.

In hindsight we should have stated that our software can produce
"up to _ _ psi" and used the 26psi dyno plot only as an example of that.

But who would have anticipated that those posts would be the source of
such contention?

[JoeyBananas]

Meanwhile, I'm over here with a lil JB4 feeling left out

[Who's on first]

Damn.

There are multiple solutions for multiple people.

Just like BMW vs MB vs Yugo.

[VF-Engineering]

I think the most obvious point to gather here is that regardless
of what side of the fence they might be on, no one seems to be
disappointed in their purchase. That's a big for flash tuning
in general!

[shoei]

This thread just went south... It's almost (key word here being almost) as bad as "6mt vs DCT !!"

[1FastS4]

Originally Posted by shoei

This thread just went south... It's almost (key word here being almost) as bad as "6mt vs DCT !!"

And nearly as definitive!

Great comparison actually. There's arguments for and against both, but at the end of the day we want what we want.

[alz0rz]

Originally Posted by JoeyBananas

Meanwhile, I'm over here with a lil JB4 feeling left out

The Dinantronics vs. ESS vs. Turner vs. JB4 piggyback thread is that way ------>

[yaymitch]

This thread is kinda silly. It's like asking which car is better? The C63s of the M3/M4 ZCP or whatever other comparison you choose. All the C63 owners will say their car is better and all the BMW owners will say their car is better and provide their own justifications. Geez, do your own research and make an educated decision and don't force your opinions on others.

[yaymitch]

This thread is kinda silly. It's like asking which car is better? The C63s or the M3/M4 ZCP or whatever other comparison you choose. All the C63 owners will say his/her car is better and all the BMW owners will say his/her car is better and provide justifications or not. Geez, do your own research and make an educated decision and don't force your opinions on others.