Bought former Performance Center F80 - Issues remain after BMW replaced $25k in parts

[qba335i]

Originally Posted by kitesurfer

Well, I Guess this threads settles the debate thread as to whether you would purchase a performance center M car.

Best of Luck OP

One of the dealers in IN was selling a similar performance center vehicle. They were trying to advertise it as "executive used."

The sales person told me that this vehicle has been flagged by BMW and could not be CPO'd (policy regarding corporate cars).

I just checked their website and it looks like someone already purchased it.... lucky person lol

[noone]

M School Performance Center / Driving Event cars are super easy to spot. Don't get screwed people. Be smart.

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1403326

[Kbueno]

Originally Posted by alex2364

Lemon law doesn't cover used cars and BMW backed extended warranty isn't available on M school cars.

Bummer for Lemon Law, but Dealer can most certainly add an extended 3rd party warranty

[MrBeard420]

Originally Posted by noone

So if you are on the highway with cruise control on anywhere from 64-74 Mph, you get a major vibration? Have you test driven more than 1 new cars under the same conditions and roads and they don't have the problem? If it's not the rims or wheels, either lemon law it or sell it. Hopefully BMW will end up buying it back either voluntarily or involuntarily. Lesson learned - don't buy an M School car unless maybe heavily discounted to compensate for likely many service visits down the road. I actually started a thread in the buying forum which discusses used M School cars that Bmw NA sell to the public for 'normal' used 5-7k mile prices. Ludicrous! Please keep us posted.

But this also implies that you can't beat the car the way it's made to be done. They say it's a performance car! Maybe that's why they got mad at me when I brought in my 15 435i one year owned with 48,000 miles on it lol

[te37]

"(NOTE: I did not know the vehicle as driven at a performance center until I was 99% complete with signing the paperwork and slid this disclosure in on me. (somewhat shady operations) By that point I was committed and trusted that Warranty would cover me if I had any issues)."

This would have had me "lawyer up". Sorry to hear, I am not sure if this is your first M car but it is a great car but not worth it at this point with all this effort. You pay to drive a car not use its warranty.

[x.shell]

Originally Posted by MrBeard420

But this also implies that you can't beat the car the way it's made to be done. They say it's a performance car! Maybe that's why they got mad at me when I brought in my 15 435i one year owned with 48,000 miles on it lol

There is a difference between a performance car and a dedicated race/track car. At the Performance Centers, they aren't using the cars to pick up the kids from daycare and once in a while have a go on the track. They are literally being beaten on real race tracks all day every day. There isn't a race car on the planet that doesn't have transmissions, driveshafts and other components replaced due to wear and tear.

I think there are a lot of unreasonable expectations that a BMW can be continuously abused on the track then everything should be honky dory after that. Yes, the M cars perform great on the track; it's not free from wear and tear though.

[09carreras]

Originally Posted by scash62

The driveshaft was my last recommendation and they did not want to put more time and money into trying to resolve. That is about the only thing they have not replaced and makes sense to me.

BMW North America - has formally said that this is considered normal and they were closing my case. Really, vibration only at a certain speed under load and once led them to replace transmission, mounts, differential, 1 axle, and now the vibration is less than it once was, it still exists at the exact same place which means there is still something going on.

I had the same problem and the driveshaft was the solution. The problem was I got caught up in the diff recall and the port installed the driveshaft 1 tooth off. The vibration you described is the same symptoms. So I wonder if the dealer reinstalled the driveshaft incorrectly. They originally said it was normal as well. The best part is I drove it for 2 weeks in Germany and the car was perfect before the the port fucked it up. The original driveshaft began to have stress cracks in the CF due to the improper installation.

Good luck and get a lemon law lawyer!

[Dazman]

Could the issue be related to the CF shaft and that's why they are moving to steel?

Vibrations at a specific speed usually involves tires or the drive shaft.

[cwhands]

Originally Posted by Dazman

Could the issue be related to the CF shaft and that's why they are moving to steel?

Vibrations at a specific speed usually involves tires or the drive shaft.

Let's not get this one started. They're moving to that steel nonsense to allow fitment of a "Particulate Filter."

Not to say his driveshaft isn't the issue.. I just think the material is irrelevant.

[09carreras]

Originally Posted by cwhands

Let's not get this one started. They're moving to that steel nonsense to allow fitment of a "Particulate Filter."

Not to say his driveshaft isn't the issue.. I just think the material is irrelevant.

This has nothing to do with material. My situation was different.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

damn dude... that stinks. I hope you get this resolved somehow. (I live pretty close to Hendrick.. aside from them upping a quote on me, they're pretty cool)

I feel like there was a thread here I saw within the last couple of months about avoiding cars from one of the M schools and a few posters saying they'd trust buying those cars without issue

[FC]

This situation stinks in many levels. I am not a lawyer and live in a different state, but I'd have to imagine that they way the vehicle was presented and how the information was revealed (very late in the sale), just reeks of bad faith on the part of the dealer.

Unless there is a very specific document that was signed explaining how warranty coverage was different form a regular car, I would imagine there would be enough of an argument there that BMWNA and the dealer would be better served helping to resolve the matter.

[Dazman]

Well I hope they checked the tires and the wheels. I had a situation on one of my cars where the tires would go out of balance even after being road forced. We finally narrowed it down to this after multiple rebalancing of the tires.

[dreventador]

Sorry to hear! Hope everything works out for you man! Just keep on bothering BMW about it. It's a matter of time before they resolve this issue

[scash62]

My thought is driveshaft as well, especially since they replaced the transmission and the differential. I made that suggestion and the Local dealership said they were not going to put any more time and money into repairing this vehicle. Then a few days later BMWNA officially stated that this is now considered normal.

BMW North America responded to my Better Business Bureau complaint stating that a regional engineer had inspected my vehicle and found there to be no mechanical issues.

This is a false statement because I was supposed to meet a regional engineer to inspect my vehicle on multiple occasions and they did not show up.

https://bluecomplaints.bbb.org/Manager.aspx?m=24097400

[mdemon]

Originally Posted by scash62

My thought is driveshaft as well, especially since they replaced the transmission and the differential. I made that suggestion and the Local dealership said they were not going to put any more time and money into repairing this vehicle. Then a few days later BMWNA officially stated that this is now considered normal.

BMW North America responded to my Better Business Bureau complaint stating that a regional engineer had inspected my vehicle and found there to be no mechanical issues.

This is a false statement because I was supposed to meet a regional engineer to inspect my vehicle on multiple occasions and they did not show up.

https://bluecomplaints.bbb.org/Manager.aspx?m=24097400

Sorry to hear about this.

1. Take your car to a performance shop nearby , pay someone directly to look at it. Check for exhaust pipes touching the body, wheel and tire balancing and also look for anything abnormal on visual inspection.

2. What does the disclosure for performance delivery said? They're notorious to remove further liability or exempt to lemon law when doing this deal.

3. if nothing works out in favor, call bmw and ask for compensation for emotional distress, inconvenience and 2 months of no car.

4. Trade in your car at a dealer ASAP(using that inconvenience compensation-5-10k is normal) and blast that cars VIN so nobody gets stuck with it.

See what works in your favor.
Good luck

[scash62]

Yes, I noticed my average MPG over the 5200 miles was 9 MPG and today after 10,000 miles my average is over 20 MPG. That tells me it was driven at full throttle almost 100% of the time.

I would have a hard time getting my average MPH down to 9 MPH.

[DaveCSparty]

I can't believe they aren't going to fix it. Customer service IS important. People are willing to overlook flaws if they are taken care of right. See Apple for example.

[Thescout13]

Originally Posted by DaveCSparty

I can't believe they aren't going to fix it. Customer service IS important. People are willing to overlook flaws if they are taken care of right. See Apple for example.

Not defending BMW here, but Apple loses very little money replacing or fixing your broken iPhone/Watch under warranty (at MOST $100/200). BMW can be in the hole anywhere between $1000 and $35k in the hole for fixing an issue. Not to mention that the dealer bears the upfront cost in labor and parts before even getting reimbursed by BMW NA or AG. I guess what I am saying is that I see why a dealer and BMW are more likely to try to find any reason out of a warranty issue that will cost them a lot of money. Apple could care less because the margin on their products is so high, there is high volume, and they have more cash on hand than the US government. BMW, not so much.

It is still very screwed up, but I have no problem believing it.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by scash62

Yes, I noticed my average MPG over the 5200 miles was 9 MPG and today after 10,000 miles my average is over 20 MPG. That tells me it was driven at full throttle almost 100% of the time.

I would have a hard time getting my average MPH down to 9 MPH.

It's not that hard (based on a time/distance, not just distance calculation, so idling can wipe that out).

I doubt this was looked at as a potential cause, but if it can be done, the REAR Supplemental Shock Abdorbers (bump stops) may be of interest in this particular case if it is the specific car I know.

[Golfster]

OP, sorry you're having this nightmarish experience, from the sneaky notice of the car's prior status to the ongoing issues.

If it were me, I'd dump/trade the car at the first possible chance. Sure, that may result in a financial loss but your time and satisfaction are worth money as well. And with this experience, I'd probably leave both this dealer and BMW far behind. Otherwise, I'd consult an attorney with expertise in these situations to determine what, if any, recourse you might have relative to your state laws.

I wish you luck and hope it ultimately gets resolved to your satisfaction.

[Eric@NRP]

A friends m4 had the same exact symptoms. Replaced a bunch of stuff and culprit ended up being the driveshaft