01-31-2013, 10:31 AM | #133 | |
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I remember the late Colin Chapman of Lotus F1 fame saying, " add HP and you will go faster in a straight line. Remove weight and you will go faster everywhere! |
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01-31-2013, 10:34 AM | #134 | |
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01-31-2013, 10:37 AM | #135 | |
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01-31-2013, 11:03 AM | #136 |
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We keep talking weight which is great, don't get me wrong. But aren't inline six's inherently heavier than a V8 due to the crank? That's what made the E92 M's V8 lighter the the outgoing E46. Say this is true, that the 6 is going to be heavier in the nose (worse spot) then where is the weight going to be saved? I thought the cars over all dimensions were slightly bigger and that means more of the plastic reinforced carbon being used, which is sweet but I know a concern of mine would be sacrificing a quality feel in the name of weight. Ever see the Audi commercial where the guy closes the door with that comforting "thud" and the car falls out of the tree? We Beemer owners are gonna be getting that with thinly made body panels
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01-31-2013, 11:21 AM | #137 | |
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I just wonder why in the hell they stick with the same displacement as the non-M engines. I KNOW they aren't the same engine, and so do car enthusiasts, (after all, lets not forget that EVERY M3 engine was based off of a regular 3 series engine. The E9x was the only one that was truly "bespoke.") but the average person will not think so. How difficult would it be to stroke it to 3.2 just to differentiate it slightly from the 35i motor to the average joe? And give it an extra 10 horsepower, please? Someone at BMW Marketing needs to be fired, lol. |
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01-31-2013, 11:35 AM | #138 | |
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01-31-2013, 11:39 AM | #139 |
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Read this entire thread, If BMW doesn't make the new M3/M4 with AT LEAST
460hp 390 tq weigh less than 3500lbs I'm gonna look elsewhere. As some have mentioned, other car makers have similiar performance outside of power/torque alone within the $80-90k price range. If it barely outperforms my e92 M3 then in my eyes it's a failure. Sure make it more efficient but don't make that the main focus, that's what the i3, i8, etc are for. Show me maximum performance and power! and knock the Porsche 911 Carrera S off of it's #1 spot... http://bit.ly/NL5OWM 3.8L power 400 torque 325 weight 3329lbs 1/4 in 12 seconds Last edited by 96OCTNE; 01-31-2013 at 11:55 AM.. |
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01-31-2013, 12:01 PM | #140 |
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You're looking at the wrong brand
e.g. your own link: http://bit.ly/NL5OWM Last edited by hwelvaar; 01-31-2013 at 12:07 PM.. |
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01-31-2013, 12:11 PM | #141 | |
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01-31-2013, 12:30 PM | #142 |
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Unlike M5, which was always the most powerful and fastest sedan, the M3 was never about power alone, but the overall package. Better less weight than more power. But I get some of you, if both are possible, the better.
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01-31-2013, 12:35 PM | #143 |
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Cant wait for "Limp mode" stories from future M3 owners.
I see a disaster coming once summer comes and guys start driving the car hard. BMW needs to do warm weather testing first. Fck if it fails in the heat who cares about cold. The US is the highest consumers of M3's and prob the most are in Cali. Cold is not an issue here. I am gonna wait and see and hold onto my E90 M3. |
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01-31-2013, 12:45 PM | #144 | |
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Right. But that engine family was an M original. In other words there was no N65 or N85. |
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01-31-2013, 02:31 PM | #146 |
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So now a lot of people are complaining about hp/torque figures as if this was the main goal for BMW. Flash back 30 years ago and BMW produced an engine coded the M10 which was a 1.5 litre turbo-charged 4-cylinder producing 1,500 hp.
So relax and try to understand that it's not just a matter of hp/torque but a whole lot more. It's the whole package, driving feelings, power delivery, etc... which matter the most. Having the appropriate hp/torque figure is much more hard to engineer than throw an engine which could weigh twice as heavier and 10 times more powerful than what could the chassis absorb. |
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01-31-2013, 02:41 PM | #147 |
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It's a BMW, so I will be really surprised if it isn't super.
But man, that motor is ugly to look at. Just sayin'. |
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01-31-2013, 03:23 PM | #148 | |
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01-31-2013, 03:24 PM | #149 |
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Let's seperate the M/// fans in here.
1: Those who track heavily 2: Those who track lightly and seldom 3: Those who rave for N.A. and high revs because of track experience and coming from N.A. history of ownership 4: Those who rave for N.A because of what they hear about it. 5: Those who hate turbos because they offer easy power and it hurts to admit it. 6: Those who have never tracked a turbo car , but hear about overheating and hpfp failure , and are SHIT SCARED about it , and judge this setup by fear and by lack of actual experience. 7: those who have actually tacked or driven a PROPER performance oriented turbo vehicle. 8:Those who aim at having a powerful street car that is daily driven and couldnt care less about revs and N.A. 9:Those who appreciate the racing pedigree and nature of a proper N.A. machine and feel attached more heavily to it because of this ( I do ) . 10: Those who have seen Advevo Chase that M3 at the ring and hate on the 1M just for kicks. 11:Those who have seen the same video and stupidly hate on the M3 , claiming it is slow because the 1M is keeping up 12: Those who have seen the same video and absolutly love both cars because both are spectacular ! ME!
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01-31-2013, 03:28 PM | #150 |
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I'd love to see 300lb weight savings - that would be incredible right there.
I'm trying to envision where they come up with weight savings that substantial. - M4 will get a CF roof. - CF Boot/trunk lid will be left to the aftermarket. - CFRP Bonnet/hood - that's a BIG MAYBE - but again more likely left to the aftermarket. - CF Front Seats *MIGHT* be an option like those seen in the E90 M3 CRT. - Haven't we seen a test mule with Carbon/Ceramic/Composite brakes? There is some good weight savings (unsprung to boot) but most certainly an OPTION. - I know that BMW had implemented a forging/heating/cooling process that allows body panels to be thinner without sacrificing strength. If I remember correctly they were able to shave 20% of the panel weight for those panels. (It's been a while since I watched that BMW tech video) So maybe with the above options, and a new chassis design focused on further weight reduction they actually could achieve such a weight reduction. My best guess is they end up in the 3550lb range. With 415Hp/395lbtq and a nice weight reduction this should be a pretty killer car. 415Hp seems a low figure - I bet at release they do something like 440Hp or 450Hp. No matter what I'm still very excited to see what they come up with. The M-engineers absolutely know how critical it is to develop and deliver a killer M4. |
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That being said, it surprises me that the M3's aren't pushing more HP at the wheels. At the end of the day, have faith in M-division. They know their customers better than you may know yourself and they know how to make good cars. Yeah, that high-revving NA V8 in the E90/92 is a fantastic engine across the board, but don't write off the N54/55(S55?) due to the fact it has less 2 cylinders. The things that can be done with them are nothing short of witchcraft.
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01-31-2013, 05:51 PM | #153 |
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01-31-2013, 07:17 PM | #154 | |
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Some things that you want to keep in mind: BMW has at least a 15% sake in SGL Carbon, a company that specializes in Carbon Fiber technologies. BMW and SGL have a joint venture together. BMW and SGL have opened a plant here in the United States for the production of Carbon Fibers. BMW has committed to large scale production of the material. I doubt they would do so without a business case. The Fibers produced in the US will go on to be a part of CFRP components in the Germany plant. It's highly possible that the M3/M4 may never see any of this extra CFRP due to the production of the i3 and i8 which require large amounts for their passenger cells as well as body panels. Maybe it's EQUALLY as possible that a small amount might be allocated to M3/M4 hood and decklid? |
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