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2) The E92 M3 is not underpowered. It has a high revving nature and needs to be wound up to really appreciate its power delivery. A stock 335 feels faster on the street often times than an S65 powered M3 does. What the speed feels like is irrelevant, the E92 was a fast car. Fast or slow, the delivery of the engine was to die for. 3) The E92 M3 was a great M car. It feels connected with the driver. Yes it got heavier in comparison to the E46, but it also got better. It performed better in every way imaginable. The E46 carries over methodologies from the E30 days. It practically employs the same front suspension lay out from an E30 with a massive camber roll off which required exxagerated amounts of negative camber to maintain front end grip and the rear end was adopted from an E36 M3 for the most part. Unfortunately the E46 was plagued with an SMG. The 6MT was a much better variant. The E9x platform changed the entire suspension lay out front & rear with respect to previous generations. For those of us who know the ins and outs of the current model, the underpinnings are nearly identical to the E9x M3 on the F8x model. They improved on things that should have been done previously and what some of us have been preaching for a while. Examples: Rear lower trailing arm is no longer a stamped steel unit with soft rubber bushings. It is evident it is a forged Al arm like the rest of the links in the rear with spherical bearings as bushings. As mentioned previously as well, the unitized subframe. The 991 despite how it feels (yes I have lots of seat time in this car and the 997), is better than the 997. Its larger, wider, longer, but lighter and more balanced. The base 997 was awesome, but also twitchy. The brand new GT3 is awesome, and one of the most exciting cars of the year, even if it's not offered in 6MT and they ditched the Metzger. 6) Not sure where the 15 second gap is coming from. The E92 M3 GTS did the Nordschleife in 7:48 and the 997 GT3 RS 3.8 did it in 7:43. That's a 5 second difference, and yes that is giving the GT3-RS a run for it's money. As much as I love the E46 M3 CSL, it's looks, its design philosophy and what it stands for, the fact that it is equipped with an SMG II makes it inferior. The M-DCT is a marvel of technology which rivals some of the best dual clutch gear boxes in production vehicles out there to date.
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09-25-2013, 07:00 PM | #488 | |
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The S65 wasn't built to be driven lazily around town. It is one of the last true Motorsport engines. They designed and built it to do exactly what it does. |
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09-25-2013, 07:00 PM | #489 |
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Maybe it's the crappy speakers on my iPhone, but the engine sound in the Bruno video sounds incredibly artificial and un-inline 6 sounding -- more like how a video game would interpret engine noises rather than actual mechanisms banging and clanking to create noise.
Probably the speakers on my iPhone but was just wondering if anyone else had that same reaction. Why my text is in italics, I have no idea. |
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09-25-2013, 07:02 PM | #490 | |
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2) Please read it correctly. Underpowered for it's weight. The engine is brilliant 3) I understand very well how this works. I understand a lot about set up as I set up my cars myself. The fact they changed the geometry allowed the car to be a better car, but doesn't mean faster is better, the E9X is a muted heavy car that is not track worthy from factory, but I'm not here to talk about the flaws of this car as every car has it's own flaws. 6) Please .... get your facts straight. You're comparing with a test performed in 2003 !!!!! 10 years ago !!!!!! In case you don't know there are several iterations of GT3 RS, starting with the 996 model that was never available in the USA. For comparison purposes as the BMW M3 GTS was a 2010 test, use the same time frame, a car that is current for it's time, which is a 997.2 GT3 RS (3.8) Here is the lap time 30. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 7:33.00 Onboard N/A '10 Source - http://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-t...times-top-100/ SO YES, IT IS A LIFE TIME !!! 48-33 = 15 seconds.
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09-25-2013, 07:18 PM | #491 |
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I am loving everything about this car. I drive a n54 e90 and absolutely love it!. I am very interested how the indirect intercooler will do. One weak point in the n54 was the factory intercooler. Hopefully this will help improve intake temperatures! The shorter stroke will also mean this thing is gonna be a rev monster!
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Plus, think of it as homage to the Cooper S |
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09-25-2013, 07:50 PM | #495 |
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I hate how the LCD at the bottom of the gauges doesn't fill the cutout. I had an X5 as a company car for a few months and it drove me crazy at night.
First shot of the redline though . I liked the sliding redline in the E9x more than this which is E46ish, but I'm sure I'll get over it. |
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09-25-2013, 07:50 PM | #496 |
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is the m division turning around? i loved my e46 m3 so much and this reminds me off it. paper shows way to much to good to be true things lol i really hope this will be one badass m3 , so it can share the garage with my gtr
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Support your claim with data or its rubbish.
I guess this (among other subtleties of performance, feel and fun) is why many have observed the common graduation from BMW to Porsche and from Porsche to Ferrari. Just because a lot of OEMs are doing something (turbos) doesn't mean it really represents what most enthusiasts want. Of course the largest reason for so many turbos is mpg not performance...
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I've also heard that they absolutely will not implement a turbo system in a new production vehicle that has any trace of turbo lag whatsoever. Like I said neither is a perfect comparison but both are still meaningful.
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On a similar note, despite cost, the S85 and S65 engines are the closest engines just about any OEM has ever made to those coming out of Maranello. See comment just above also about Ferrari's efforts in modern turbocharging. They will, like pretty much everything the company does, be epic.
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The great cycle of auto evolution eh. It's only 25 years since they produced the F40, which certainly wasn't known for it's lack of lag and is an all-time great. |
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I believe that all those e92 m3 owners who bought a 2013 because it was the "last real M" got rappppeeeddd. This car is just out of control. I NEED one
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Agree. Those numbers are approaching C6 Z06 territory.
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I'm looking forward to this car. Love FI.
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