M3 trade-in values

[skyline408]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

^not surprising. Most people dont know how to drive a manual and others just dont want to sadly. This is why fewer new cars are coming with manual transmissions.

It's just the evolution of the modern automobile. DCT/PDK/DSGs have been so good on performance cars, that manuals are just upon as relics now. I remember when Ferrari went all dual clutch, huge uproar, but you can't negate all the performance benefits.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by skyline408

It's just the evolution of the modern automobile. DCT/PDK/DSGs have been so good on performance cars, that manuals are just upon as relics now. I remember when Ferrari went all dual clutch, huge uproar, but you can't negate all the performance benefits.

No doubt modern automatics have gotten so good it has stolen away all of the performance benefits that manuals used to have. Wasnt that long ago where the manual version of a car would almost always out perform the automatic version. Now this has flipped.

I cant help but think an equal part if it is the social media/constant connection society which has developed over the last decade. More important to text, check instagram, scroll through music library, etc which requires two hands so easier to get an automatic.

[skyline408]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

No doubt modern automatics have gotten so good it has stolen away all of the performance benefits that manuals used to have. Wasnt that long ago where the manual version of a car would almost always out perform the automatic version. Now this has flipped.

I cant help but think an equal part if it is the social media/constant connection society which has developed over the last decade. More important to text, check instagram, scroll through music library, etc which requires two hands so easier to get an automatic.

This shift happened before all the social media stuff came to be the norm. It's just evolution. Kinda like traction control.

[boss2k]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

No doubt modern automatics have gotten so good it has stolen away all of the performance benefits that manuals used to have. Wasnt that long ago where the manual version of a car would almost always out perform the automatic version. Now this has flipped.

I cant help but think an equal part if it is the social media/constant connection society which has developed over the last decade. More important to text, check instagram, scroll through music library, etc which requires two hands so easier to get an automatic.

Really you want to access social media when driving a car...thats ridiculous reason not to buy a MT

[boss2k]

Originally Posted by skyline408

Hard to say, really depends on what options your car has.

I will tell you one thing, DCT definitely commands a higher price than 6MT. When I was shopping the DCT cars were always the first to sell as well.

The sticker was 70K has executive , adaptive, monroof, not count the goodies I put on the car

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by boss2k

Really you want to access social media when driving a car...thats ridiculous reason not to buy a MT

I don't. Was just a theory of why there may be an increasingly lower manual take rate, particularly with new drivers.

[Kung Fu English]

Originally Posted by skyline408

Hard to say, really depends on what options your car has.

I will tell you one thing, DCT definitely commands a higher price than 6MT. When I was shopping the DCT cars were always the first to sell as well.

I think this is true for the lower miles, lesser used, higher priced vehicles.

As they get used more, and more miles, and become worth less, the people in the lower price range that want a car for driving and possibly even track racing will start to enter the market. This population of people will prefer the 6MT.

[KevinM]

DCT will probably fetch a higher price for a straight trade in to CarMax or similar, as they know that most people can't drive MTs anymore (and many who can don't want to). However, if one is willing to sell privately and wait for the right buyer, someone who WANTS an MT will pay more for the car, as they are comparatively rare. And if the next gen M3 is not offered with a MT (hopefully this is not the case!), this effect will be magnified.

I always enjoy the seemingly endless lease vs. buy discussions (including sub-discussions on cash vs. finance, etc.). Everyone's situation, personal disposition, finances, etc., are so varied that the "best" option is going to be different for everyone. The only sad thing would be if anyone choses any option without a clear understanding of all the costs involved, short and long term, in the context of how many years it is planned to keep the car (and yes, that includes cash and what alternative investment opportunities there are).