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It is here not about the V8. The principle is already history, and not a V8 in the M3 is more likely, probably be clear to everyone.
The only question is how the six-cylinder engine could be built ... This time is an interesting statement from an engine developer of that manufacturer: "So, watch out: BMW has always placed on the R6, because the smoothness was at the forefront as an engineer for engine technology, I can you but say the following. The biggest problem of R6 is that with ever-increasing power, the load block increase and crankshaft exorbitant. This is simply the length. biggest problem is the crankshaft. by their length, they must be condemned designed to be massively and so it is very difficult! and what is the greatest enemy of a sports engine? right weight! the heavier the crankshaft, the more sluggish revs up the engine! This might be for a silky AG-engine is a great feeling, but not for a sporty M-engine! Therefore, the F80, the crankshaft to about half of those of, for example 335i truncated and still housed six cylinders are! the engine is indeed a tad wider, but much shorter ... and winds up like hell! And if you have not understood what I want now to say to you, then I can help you even more ... "
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I too feel a little pinch thinking that the M3 will be going turbo. But I cannot find any rational argument for it. Looking back at motor-sport history, there is a huge heritage of great turbo cars: F-1, Sport prototype, Champ car, WRC, etc.. so there goes the argument about turbos not being pure in terms of tracking or motor sport.
I think what disturbs the most, is the thought of BMW simply adapting a "standard" engine to an ///M application (like on X5M, X6M, 1M and F10 M5). Historically, the ///M division have built their own engines. And what great engine they were ![]() So if ///M builds their own engine (mostly) from the ground-up for the new M3/M4, I guess I'll be OK with it, turbo or not. If it is simply an adapted N54 or N55, then meh ![]() |
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That´s it ... and why I prefer the M-GmbH developed V6 BiTurbo so much over an simple adapted AG N55 as engine for the coming F80/F82. |
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However, the engine in the 1M is almost a straight carry over from the Z4 sdrive35is. That is my point. PS, don't quote the engine in the US spec E36 M3 as it wasn't a real M engine either... Last edited by CanAutM3; 06-08-2012 at 02:42 PM.. |
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06-13-2012, 08:46 AM | #271 |
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...I think V8 is the best engine of the world...any sounds like that around?!?!??!
NOOOO!! :-)
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Didn't think of that. It could be a possible reason, but what about the new +700 PS V12 engines ? An not to forget the Toyota Supra with its TT I6 making monster numbers.
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Yes thats right, the problem could be solved be reinforcing the crankshaft and its housing ... but thats meen increasing the engine weight ... and an heavy and long I6 isn´t the best option for an front engine sportscar, because it creates understeer or must put weight at the back of the car to improve the balance ... and so you get even more weight.
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I still think they should have modify and stick with the V8 unit, I dont think the I6 will be able to cope with the power required to make the M3 stand out in todays market.
Just look under the bonnet of the Porsche, and Nissan gt. The M3 as its work cut out and to win it will lots of power and good aerodynimic. ![]() |
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The next M3 is going to be more expensive, have a smaller engine, and probably be rebadge to a new name.... and it'll probably sell better than any previous generation ever did.... so what, as long as it performs better, is comfortable, and reliable..... |
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...and you'll find a small displacement flat 6. I assume we're talking about the 911, right? Or are you comparing the M3 to a Panamera?
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If the N55-->S55 is equivalent to VQ35-->VR38, I'll be ok with this. ![]() |
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And apparently, Nissan will be using Mercedes V6's as the Nissan's are notoriously rough runners |
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