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TL;DR: A used X makes more sense than a new X. Or even a new Y sometimes. Maybe even a Z. So no one should ever buy anything new. Back on topic? |
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11-30-2017, 01:25 PM | #112 |
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bye bye M3 CS...Porsche, here I come.
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11-30-2017, 01:26 PM | #113 | |
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If someone says they see more value in the base M3/4 than the CS I can't help but agree. However, there is also something nice about buying a factory car that is more adept at the track vs buying a base one and modding it. Namely the amount of work involved and the terrible resale of track-specific goodies. The badge whores are probably the guys who, one after another, come to the BMW M forum and post variations of 'for that price I'd buy a Porsche', ignoring that you cannot buy any 911 for this price in the first place and that the closest in price to the CS is a stripper base 911 that doesn't even have a LSD. And which no one has purchased since the dawn of mankind. Clearly, no one would make that assessment if they were interested in actual performance. |
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11-30-2017, 01:27 PM | #114 | |
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Like I said the M3CS is a bit unique due to the 4 doors, but man BMW is going to make you pay for that bit of uniqueness. Edit: And I am very far from a Porsche fanboy. |
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11-30-2017, 01:28 PM | #115 |
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Camaro ZL1 1LE smoked that for 20k less. BMW is wild with their pricing
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11-30-2017, 01:30 PM | #116 | |
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I don't understand how someone could get a 911S over a GTS, but I guess as I actually track often I see how slow Porsches are so I have zero desire to get one. |
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11-30-2017, 01:31 PM | #117 | |
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So if BMW is out of their minds with their pricing, what is Porsche? If all you're interested is the lap time, the Viper has been winning that metric for a few years already |
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11-30-2017, 01:34 PM | #118 | |
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I agree, that is why I'm going to order a manual GTS to compliment my GT350 in the somewhat near future. Also, as a you are "person that tracks a lot" you know that the CSs aren't that great when it comes down to it either for the track value wise. |
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11-30-2017, 01:35 PM | #119 |
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$100k + for a M3. This day came sooner than I expected. A lot more bang for your $$$ at those prices. Sure BMW will sell out regardless.
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The last comparison that was posted over here vs the 991 GTS was won by the GTS, but it wasn't like it was crushed. Not sure how you come to the conclusion that a 20% more money for a 2 seater is much better value, but to each their own |
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11-30-2017, 01:36 PM | #122 | |
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I'm looking at a Porsche GTS for my really nice DD slash I can go track it if I want. It definitely isn't value based. |
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11-30-2017, 01:39 PM | #123 | |
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How many people actually put people in the back of their M4s? I have a young daughter so she will fit back there for a quite few years just like she does in my GT350. |
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11-30-2017, 01:40 PM | #124 |
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GTS I specced out was close to 160k.
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11-30-2017, 01:47 PM | #129 | |
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Meanwhile the guy who buys a base M3/M4 and spends $15k on suspension and brakes will see real improvement for less money. Sure, those are aftermarket modifications instead of from the factory. But the CS models are far from factory track specials, so in reality you'd want to make those same changes to those cars too, if you are serious about making the cars more track worthy. If the M3/M4 CS were about chassis improvements that people who track their cars would want to do, then yeah, that'd be great. But they aren't. Think about it like this: Let's say BMW introduces two more models along side the M3/M4 CS called the M3 GT and M4 GT. Instead of any of the content that the CS offers - or really, any of the content that ZCP offers for that matter - they just offer better brakes, the M Performance HAS, and maybe throw in the engine tune. And then let's say that you can have any of those for the same price. Not unrealistic for the GT models I don't think, given the content offered. Now who out there that wants to track their car is genuinely picking the CS over the GT? It would be nearly no one. In fact it might actually be zero people. I wouldn't bet against that if I were the one who had to try to make that sale to a group of track-going enthusiasts. |
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You talk about track, but Porsche’s in my experience and reality are much faster and more cut out for that. Sounds like your anecdote is related to your skills as a driver at an HPDE rather than guys at equal skill level competing for something but to each their own. Mclarens don’t come with LSDs either in the 570 and that’s a 200k car. The commonality is that neither the 991 Base or 570 need one due to mechanical grip they have given they can pull well over 1.0g without one. Last edited by Funf6cyl; 11-30-2017 at 02:11 PM.. |
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