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If the F8X ends up being the last pure ICE M3/4, then the CS might be interesting from a long-term value standpoint, but given how iterative an update the recent M5 launch proved to be, I just don't see our beloved M gen being the last of anything monetarily worthwhile. The E9X, even with hits heavier, inferior chassis, brakes etc will stand the test of time due to its high-revving V8. Last of for sure. Bi-turbo? I conjecture that it'll live on for another gen until the hybrid model gets released next next gen.
Correct if wrong, but the F8X has also been the most successful M vehicle from a sales standpoint in BMW history. There won't be a shortage in supply anytime soon and this will hurt long-term resale. Porsche 911s shouldn't even be mentioned here. They are a small volume player in a diff league and pricing bracket. Furthermore, Porsche is an SUV company first and foremost. Macan/Cayenne represent something like 80% of global sales fueling sports car development as halo models to then spur practical car sales --> virtuous circle, flywheel effect. You really can't talk about great resale until you get to the niche of the niche represented by the ultra low volume GTX models. Even then the 991.1 GT3s are getting relatively raped for the right reasons, but I digress. My point is, everything's pretty much been discovered. It's getting harder and harder to find gems out there. We're in this transition phase of the automotive landscape that's going to take a bit of time to sort itself out. Meanwhile, I'm just enjoying my '18 ZCP M4 to the fullest everyday. It's freakin' awesome. It is the most desirable model for me.
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If I read the OP right, he is not asking if the CS will appreciate, but rather if it will depreciate less than a regular M3.
In this respect, it is not an easy call. On one end, being a special model with features not included in the base car, it will have an appeal in the used market. However, I find the MSRP to be rather high for what is offered, particularly in the US, and the willingness to pay in the used market might be lower. For these 2 reasons, I believe that the CS will depreciate very similarly to a regular M3 % wise. But because the CS sells for more, the original buyer will be taking a more substantial financial hit $ wise.
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The Z4M Coupe has been sold for more than it's original price 12 years on. It was an ambitious chancer of a garage, found an example with less than 5000 miles on the clock, I think they got somewhere between £45-50k for it.
BMW AUC are increasing the sale price too, they have a 38k mile 07 Z4M Coupe up for 30k, original cost was £42k, a couple of years ago it would have sold for around £16-18k. Very soon those Coupes will exceed their original sale price as sold by BMW. |
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I agree, this is a tough one - however, I would say...
1. Many people find the M3CS to be priced excessively for what you get. 2. There are some still available (car is not that hot) So in terms of value and rarity, it doesn't have either - yet, it is one of the more expensive M3s you can buy. Therefore, I believe, that based on past history, it will depreciate at a higher percentage of purchase price than a lower optioned standard M3. Alas, as the famous ASIA song goes..."Only Time Will Tell"
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What holds value is usually something that becomes more and more desirable with time and something that offers a quality that's not readily available elsewhere. The 1M, E30 M3, E46 M3 CSL, 997 GT3 RS all have this and hence somewhat maintain value of not increase with time.
The M3 CS does not have any of this and there are already other cars that offer the same and even more. Depreciation should be like any other M3 from this generation. |
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M4cs at least has suspension designed for cup2 and some interior lightening my $0.02 is that a civic m3 with 6mt is going to be more sought after |
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Ok, seriously, there are more changes to the M3CS than I realized (and it is lighter too) https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...-and-info-news alas, the current M series cars were never known as track monsters (and the GTS has been embarrassed by the 911 S repeatedly) - so I don't think these changes, no matter how cool they are, are going to make the M3 something that is simply amazing. But like I said - this is just my opinion and what do I know? Cause I think the Lime Rock Grey is one of the ugliest colors out there and people seem to love it!
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Both, the M3CS' and M4CS' suspensions have been tuned around Cup tires. The M3CS and M4CS both come standard with PSC2 in most counrires withh PSS offered as an option for those that do not want to sacrifice wet grip. However, for some reason, in the US, the M3CS and M4CS come standard with the PSS and not the PSC2.
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Some cars tend to depreciate initially and then come back in value, especially if the car is later perceived as the best M4/M3 in that model series. I believe that might be the case for the CS in the future (maybe 5-7 years from know) especially for the M4CS and especially if they don't introduce an M4CSL, which is highly unlikely IMO. But who knows... im biased because I already ordered an M4CS
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These "CP" or "CS" are marketing nomenclature to try and drum up more sales. They are the same cars with different options or packages. You may as well be asking whether an M3 with MPE or special paint hold it's value better than ones without these options.
So the answer is: an M3 CS or CP or whatever will depreciate like any other F80 will, and sales price variation from within this M3 platform will depend on the condition of your car at the time of sale. If you want your car to hold its value better, take care of it more. |
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If the car ever does hold its value well over the years, it’s the enthusiasts (and many many years later, the collectors) market that make up the value. I personally think it’s the configuration and color. I highly doubt an M3 convertable with a DCT/SMG in yellow will ever do well. no offense to all the F83’s in AY out there lol
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This is exactly why I am getting the CS instead of the new GT3. And, Porsche plays games with allocations. With the CS, I walked into a dealership, said I wanted their allocation, and it was mine. No games.
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It will depreciate. Quite a bit. At 1200 units, too many to be considered collectible. If you get one of the 2 specialty colors, you might be able to flip it to someone who doesn't want to wait for a small premium.
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For sure, but the GT3 will sale for a premium. Drove my GT3 for two years and traded for MSRP, and my RS for a year and traded above MSRP. High demand with limited supply drives the craziness. When the GT3 had a PDK option it added more buyers into the pool.
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Less practical version of M3 not available with a manual. Two features that make the M3 so great. I love the looks but can't get behind the car overall. I'm sure it'll hold some value for being a special model but not super different from a "normal" M3 maintained well
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