Going From C63 to M3?

MRV99 · 02-23-2018, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TechM3

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Originally Posted by MRV99

So where is the muscle car list because I would not consider any of these listed as a muscle car.

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1965 Mustang Fastback
1991 Mustang GT
2001 Mustang Bullitt

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Yes. If ou listed these cars then I would not have made a statement, but you stated muscle cars then listed all non-muscle cars. Just thought the definition of a muscle car may have changed and my dinosaur definitions needed to be updated.

FYI I had a 90 LX which dyno'd back in 93 w/ 375 hp at the rear wheels so I am happy to see some old time ford guys here

TechM3 · 02-23-2018, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MRV99

Yes. If ou listed these cars then I would not have made a statement, but you stated muscle cars then listed all non-muscle cars. Just thought the definition of a muscle car may have changed and my dinosaur definitions needed to be updated.

FYI I had a 90 LX which dyno'd back in 93 w/ 375 hp at the rear wheels so I am happy to see some old time ford guys here

Those little fox bodies we're fun cars man. 375 whp must've made a stoplight monster. Terrible aero, but who cared ya know? Not many unmolested versions remaining these days...

fusionchicken · 02-23-2018, 06:00 PM

OP perhaps try an M2? Shorter wheelbase should translate into a more engaging drive

I've driven plenty of 6.2L V8 c63s and F8x M cars, and overall I definitely prefer the M cars as they are much more versatile, and while I do prefer the NA V8 in the Merc (only for the sound, not in output or efficiency), I would trade that engine for the M-DCT transmission in combination with the S55, which really wakes up with minimal mods as well and is a torque monster even in stock form

jerryj20 · 03-13-2018, 10:48 AM

OP, get ahold of Alex at Alpine, he will make you retract this statement.

Ian1973 · 03-14-2018, 07:50 PM

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I had a drive out in friends w204 C63 coupe to see what the fuss was about and I found it to be perfectly pleasant but no more than that.

The engine is inaudible from inside the car how did they manage to engineer a large n/a engine with zero induction noise? It's quite lazy only 74hp per litre in stock form and the gearbox belongs in a 1980's Jag.

I was expecting the engine to be the master piece people rave about but the S55 has more character never mind the S65, all it gives is a farty contrived metallic fusillade from the exhaust which cannot be heard from the drivers seat at speed on WOT (no bad thing in my opinion)

Nice car but no M, rode well though, nice an comfy GT was the conclusion.

Jesus that looks like an M5 compared with the Merc, not an M3. I definitely think I like the proportions better of the E92 M3 over the latest one. Of course it's a coupe against a sedan.

Kimeran · 03-15-2018, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jerryj20

OP, get ahold of Alex at Alpine, he will make you retract this statement.

Who is Alex and why do you say that?

radiofrequency · 03-15-2018, 07:14 AM

I am putting on my flame suit in advance for my response to you!

I feel your pain, the current F80/82 suffers from decontenting (cheaper interior + leather), and is a very sterile driving experience IMHO. Cruising on the highway, you might as well be in an Accord or dare I say, a Camry. I really miss the visceral driving experience of my E92, for me, it was a more engaging drive, and the sounds it produced were lovely. MB currently has some of the best interiors, from the perspective of ergonomics, quality of materials, and overall, design. Even the lowest MB models have interiors far surpassing even Audi. We pay a great deal of money for our cars, and I am currently experiencing a lack of value with my ZCP. It's kind of like going to a fancy restaurant, paying $200 for a meal, and wondering what just happened. Personally speaking, the C63 is just too big a vehicle for me, I prefer smaller, unobtrusive cars. I am, at present, toying with the idea of purchasing a used E92, and doing a conversion to SC - this would suit my needs for a small, unobtrusive, high performance vehicle with a great driving experience. I certainly don't think you could go wrong with the C63, it certainly has the looks and the performance, and checks many of the boxes the current F80/82 does not. If you want to take a walk on the wild side, go and test the new Alfa Q.......

FirstF80InSpace · 03-15-2018, 07:23 AM

Maybe it's the interior that's turning you off.

I've had both a C-class (not AMG) and an S4. And both cars had a nicer interior than the M3. I've grown accustomed to the interior, but for the first few months, I felt the M3 interior was really lacking compared to what I was used to.

Wills2 · 03-15-2018, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian1973

Jesus that looks like an M5 compared with the Merc, not an M3. I definitely think I like the proportions better of the E92 M3 over the latest one. Of course it's a coupe against a sedan.

Could be the angle and the fished eyed lens of the camera phone, the C63 certainly looks undernourished in the hips dept compared the M3.

For me the F80 M3 is the best looking M3 saloon/sedan they have ever done the E92 m3 is the best looking coupe.

JibSTir13 · 03-15-2018, 12:19 PM

For those of you complaining about the cheap interior of the F8X, did you spec yours with full leather?

The standard interior does feel cheap.

But the full leather variant is a different world and class.

Kimeran · 03-16-2018, 01:52 AM

Mine does have full leather, and I really do like it... But I like it because I compare it to the older BMW interiors and it is much much better.
But if I had to compare the design and look of the interior to that of the other cars, it definitely lacks something.

I can only assume that BMW designed the interior to be for a purpose. It is designed that way so that you can focus on the road, and driving, and the experience of driving an M car....
But then i sit and think, this M car is very subtle in the way it drives compared to older models. So then what am I supposed to focus on?

02-23-2018, 06:00 PM	#25
fusionchicken Captain 161 Rep 763 Posts Drives: C6 Z06, Z4M Roadster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: socal iTrader: (0)	OP perhaps try an M2? Shorter wheelbase should translate into a more engaging drive I've driven plenty of 6.2L V8 c63s and F8x M cars, and overall I definitely prefer the M cars as they are much more versatile, and while I do prefer the NA V8 in the Merc (only for the sound, not in output or efficiency), I would trade that engine for the M-DCT transmission in combination with the S55, which really wakes up with minimal mods as well and is a torque monster even in stock form
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03-13-2018, 10:48 AM	#26
jerryj20 Private First Class 39 Rep 126 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: TN iTrader: (1)	OP, get ahold of Alex at Alpine, he will make you retract this statement.
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03-15-2018, 07:14 AM	#29
radiofrequency Field Marshall 307 Rep 515 Posts Drives: 2018 M4 ZCP, 2021 M2 Comp Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Somewhere in Africa iTrader: (0)	I am putting on my flame suit in advance for my response to you! I feel your pain, the current F80/82 suffers from decontenting (cheaper interior + leather), and is a very sterile driving experience IMHO. Cruising on the highway, you might as well be in an Accord or dare I say, a Camry. I really miss the visceral driving experience of my E92, for me, it was a more engaging drive, and the sounds it produced were lovely. MB currently has some of the best interiors, from the perspective of ergonomics, quality of materials, and overall, design. Even the lowest MB models have interiors far surpassing even Audi. We pay a great deal of money for our cars, and I am currently experiencing a lack of value with my ZCP. It's kind of like going to a fancy restaurant, paying $200 for a meal, and wondering what just happened. Personally speaking, the C63 is just too big a vehicle for me, I prefer smaller, unobtrusive cars. I am, at present, toying with the idea of purchasing a used E92, and doing a conversion to SC - this would suit my needs for a small, unobtrusive, high performance vehicle with a great driving experience. I certainly don't think you could go wrong with the C63, it certainly has the looks and the performance, and checks many of the boxes the current F80/82 does not. If you want to take a walk on the wild side, go and test the new Alfa Q.......
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FirstF80InSpace ///M You 344 Rep 619 Posts Drives: 2019 Porsche 718 Cayman S Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Canada iTrader: (0)	Maybe it's the interior that's turning you off. I've had both a C-class (not AMG) and an S4. And both cars had a nicer interior than the M3. I've grown accustomed to the interior, but for the first few months, I felt the M3 interior was really lacking compared to what I was used to.
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JibSTir13 Major 603 Rep 1,038 Posts Drives: F80 / FJ Cruiser Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California iTrader: (0)	For those of you complaining about the cheap interior of the F8X, did you spec yours with full leather? The standard interior does feel cheap. But the full leather variant is a different world and class.
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Kimeran Private 69 Rep 97 Posts Drives: 2017 M240i Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Johannesburg iTrader: (0)	Mine does have full leather, and I really do like it... But I like it because I compare it to the older BMW interiors and it is much much better. But if I had to compare the design and look of the interior to that of the other cars, it definitely lacks something. I can only assume that BMW designed the interior to be for a purpose. It is designed that way so that you can focus on the road, and driving, and the experience of driving an M car.... But then i sit and think, this M car is very subtle in the way it drives compared to older models. So then what am I supposed to focus on?
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