Autotalent
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   BMW M3 and BMW M4 Forum > BMW F80 M3 / F82 M4 Technical Topics > Cosmetic and Lighting Modifications

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      01-27-2017, 05:41 AM   #1
e92_mmm3
New Member
6
Rep
12
Posts

Drives: m6
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: dubai

iTrader: (0)

Want to change car color

hi

i want change my car color to black im looking for wrap what are is the best 3m or Avery and from where i can buy it and how much will be

or should i go with paint
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2017, 05:58 AM   #2
dom_cmh
Lieutenant
dom_cmh's Avatar
140
Rep
441
Posts

Drives: 2016 F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Columbus, Ohio

iTrader: (1)

Please please please don't paint it. It will never be as good as factory.

I guess wrap it. I'm not a fan at all of wraps. It's probably because I'm from the midwest and not SoCal. Just seems cheesy. But if you don't mind it then go for it!
__________________
Daily Driver - 2007 E70 X5 4.8i Sport w/20" Wheels

Summer Fun - 2016 F80 M3 | Tanzanite | Black FULL Leather | 6MT | Executive | Lighting | Driver Assist | Adaptive Suspension | 19" Black Wheels | Black Grills & Sides | Roof
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2017, 08:13 AM   #3
NewM3driver
Colonel
1108
Rep
2,008
Posts

Drives: 2017 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: CT

iTrader: (0)

Sell it and get a new one that is the color you want.
Appreciate 2
BoxKing293.00
mstevens119.00
      01-27-2017, 08:15 AM   #4
Sassicaia
Brigadier General
Sassicaia's Avatar
Canada
4452
Rep
3,308
Posts

Drives: SMB F80 6MT
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Vancouver, Canada

iTrader: (0)

What colour do you have?
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2017, 09:23 AM   #5
TurboM
Captain
TurboM's Avatar
United_States
252
Rep
674
Posts

Drives: 2018 F82 M4 ZCP
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Atlanta

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NewM3driver View Post
Sell it and get a new one that is the color you want.
Appreciate 0
      01-27-2017, 11:23 AM   #6
e92_mmm3
New Member
6
Rep
12
Posts

Drives: m6
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: dubai

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dom_cmh View Post
Please please please don't paint it. It will never be as good as factory.

I guess wrap it. I'm not a fan at all of wraps. It's probably because I'm from the midwest and not SoCal. Just seems cheesy. But if you don't mind it then go for it!

thanks bro

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sassicaia View Post
What colour do you have?

i have white and im looking for black
Appreciate 0
      02-08-2017, 02:23 PM   #7
eRiggs5
Lieutenant
eRiggs5's Avatar
299
Rep
517
Posts

Drives: 18 M3 CS
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Virginia

iTrader: (0)

DO NOT REPAINT YOUR CAR! That will absolutely kill the value of your car! I would wrap it. I have seen wraps from both Avery and 3M and they are both good vinyl. Depending on the type of vinyl will depend on cost. Your standard vinyls are cheaper as your 3m self healing wraps are more expensive.
__________________
-> 2018 M3 CS <- follow IG: eriggs05_m3cs

2020 Grand Cherokee Summit: Wife's
2016 BMW M3: Gone
2008 Lexus IS: Gone
Appreciate 0
      02-08-2017, 05:50 PM   #8
x.shell
▆ ✚✚   ▆▆▆▆▆▆
x.shell's Avatar
6577
Rep
5,304
Posts

Drives: ▋ ▉▉
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location:  ▆▆▆ ▆▆▆ ▆

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dom_cmh View Post
Please please please don't paint it. It will never be as good as factory.

I guess wrap it. I'm not a fan at all of wraps. It's probably because I'm from the midwest and not SoCal. Just seems cheesy. But if you don't mind it then go for it!
Not true at all. A good paint job will absolutely look better than factory. Although that's not saying much. BMW's factory paint is completely orange peel'd and so thin. I would level and polish it if the clear coat wasn't so thin. It's pretty much accepted that BMW's recent paint quality is not as good as it used to be.

Look at what IND did with their car. Quality is much better than OEM.


Since you brought up SoCal... one of the many great things about SoCal (other than wraps ) is that we have some of the best automotive painters in the world. It is the birthplace of lowriders. We vatos in SoCal know how to paint.

That being said, if I was the OP, I'd get the car wrapped instead of repainting.

It is true what eRiggs5 said. A repaint could kill the perceived value of your car; that's something a lot of M3/M4 owners tend to care about.

Last edited by x.shell; 02-08-2017 at 05:56 PM..
Appreciate 0
      02-09-2017, 10:21 AM   #9
BMWFanatic2008
Major
BMWFanatic2008's Avatar
No_Country
233
Rep
1,177
Posts

Drives: 2023 M3 6MT
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Miami

iTrader: (5)

If you are going to wrap it, might as well chose some unique color (eg matte black).
__________________
Current: 2022 X3M Comp
Previous: 2020 X4M Comp | 1982 E24 633CSi | 2016 F82 M4 | 2015 F80 M3 | 2014 F30 335xi | 2013 F30 335xi | 2010 E92 335xi
Appreciate 0
      02-09-2017, 10:57 AM   #10
BigDog
Major
United_States
323
Rep
1,080
Posts

Drives: YMB F80
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: NYC

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMWFanatic2008 View Post
If you are going to wrap it, might as well chose some unique color (eg matte black).
does anyone else see the irony here?
__________________
Appreciate 1
      02-10-2017, 07:29 AM   #11
dom_cmh
Lieutenant
dom_cmh's Avatar
140
Rep
441
Posts

Drives: 2016 F80 M3
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Columbus, Ohio

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
Not true at all. A good paint job will absolutely look better than factory. Although that's not saying much. BMW's factory paint is completely orange peel'd and so thin. I would level and polish it if the clear coat wasn't so thin. It's pretty much accepted that BMW's recent paint quality is not as good as it used to be.

Look at what IND did with their car. Quality is much better than OEM.


Since you brought up SoCal... one of the many great things about SoCal (other than wraps ) is that we have some of the best automotive painters in the world. It is the birthplace of lowriders. We vatos in SoCal know how to paint.

That being said, if I was the OP, I'd get the car wrapped instead of repainting.

It is true what eRiggs5 said. A repaint could kill the perceived value of your car; that's something a lot of M3/M4 owners tend to care about.
Understood. You are in a unique market for sure. While I totally agree that the BMW paint isn't as good as could be, for most people it simply doesn't make sense to do a full repaint on a new car unless you have cash to burn or get into an accident and don't want a blend job on a difficult color to match. Again, your market is very unique and people are doing crazy and cool things all the time that break the "norms" for us folks in the flyover states!

I still can't for the life of me understand wraps unless it's a 15k car. I'm nearing 40 though so I guess the kid in me is finally starting to grow up!
__________________
Daily Driver - 2007 E70 X5 4.8i Sport w/20" Wheels

Summer Fun - 2016 F80 M3 | Tanzanite | Black FULL Leather | 6MT | Executive | Lighting | Driver Assist | Adaptive Suspension | 19" Black Wheels | Black Grills & Sides | Roof
Appreciate 0
      02-14-2017, 11:40 AM   #12
afadeev
Colonel
afadeev's Avatar
1163
Rep
2,561
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by eRiggs5 View Post
DO NOT REPAINT YOUR CAR! That will absolutely kill the value of your car! I would wrap it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
Not true at all. A good paint job will absolutely look better than factory.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dom_cmh View Post
While I totally agree that the BMW paint isn't as good as could be, for most people it simply doesn't make sense to do a full repaint on a new car unless you have cash to burn or get into an accident and don't want a blend job on a difficult color to match.
A few years ago I did a NJ VPC tour, and BMW's chief paint guy was explaining the in's and out's of paint repairs and paint matching complexities.
He also showed his personal car - an E36 M3 that he had just finished repainting to matte silver.
Just for fun. Because he could.

Bottom line - it would have cost $10-15K to have had this work done at a competent independent shop (VPC doesn't do any customer work, other than shipping damage repair for BMW). The higher end estimate included pulling the engine and carpeting to properly respray engine bay, trunk, and other visible interior parts, without masking tape and over-spray.

The used-car market value of that investment is either $0.00, or negative.

In contrast, the $1.5-$5K individual paint cost is an absolute bargain.

a
__________________
'19 TM3P (BK/BK)
'15 F80 M3 (SO/SS)
ex-'17 I01 i3-BEV (PB/DD), ex-'15 I01 i3-REX, ex-E90, E46, E36's, E30's
Appreciate 0
      02-14-2017, 11:53 AM   #13
x.shell
▆ ✚✚   ▆▆▆▆▆▆
x.shell's Avatar
6577
Rep
5,304
Posts

Drives: ▋ ▉▉
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location:  ▆▆▆ ▆▆▆ ▆

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by afadeev View Post
A few years ago I did a NJ VPC tour, and BMW's chief paint guy was explaining the in's and out's of paint repairs and paint matching complexities.
He also showed his personal car - an E36 M3 that he had just finished repainting to matte silver.
Just for fun. Because he could.

Bottom line - it would have cost $10-15K to have had this work done at a competent independent shop (VPC doesn't do any customer work, other than shipping damage repair for BMW). The higher end estimate included pulling the engine and carpeting to properly respray engine bay, trunk, and other visible interior parts, without masking tape and over-spray.

The used-car market value of that investment is either $0.00, or negative.

In contrast, the $1.5-$5K individual paint cost is an absolute bargain.

a
Paint matching is a completely different story than a complete respray.

I agree with your "bottom line" that pulling an engine and respraying every nook and cranny can come out to $10-$15k. But who in their right mind would pull apart the whole car for a respray (other than Yost Racing. Love you guys)? It's good enough to take off the easy bits and keep the engine in tact. Simply mask off the engine, and you'll be able to spray almost every nook in the engine bay. Which is way more than what BMW does from the factory. They don't even clear coat anything that's not on the exterior of the car. Just pop your hood and trunk and take a look. In fact, look behind the door hinge after you open it; it's just white primer. BMW doesn't even bother to spray color in there.

The real bottom line is that for $10k you could have one of the best damn paint jobs on the planet; with so much clear coat on it, it'll look like you're staring into an aquarium. For an entire respray of the car that is better than BMW's factory paint work.... well, that's much much much much much cheaper.

For reference, I used to run a body shop that would respray tuner cars and lowriders. I've personally prepped and repainted my own cars many times. It's not a subjective thing... BMW's current paint work bar is really low.
Appreciate 0
      02-14-2017, 01:22 PM   #14
afadeev
Colonel
afadeev's Avatar
1163
Rep
2,561
Posts

Drives: F80 M3
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
But who in their right mind would pull apart the whole car for a respray (other than Yost Racing. Love you guys)?
I wouldn't, but I'm sure there are people out there that do, and do get a very unique car.
I know a guy at work who did it to his 'vette to get a "candy apple red" exterior. It looked great, but is was a very laborous, and a very expensive mod.


Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
It's good enough to take off the easy bits and keep the engine in tact. Simply mask off the engine, and you'll be able to spray almost every nook in the engine bay. Which is way more than what BMW does from the factory. They don't even clear coat anything that's not on the exterior of the car.
It's true that BMW doesn't clear coat the engine bay or the inside of the hood, but they do paint it. In two stages: primer and base coat. It's just the 3rd stage - clear coat, that is forgone.

There are at least three (3) primer colors depending on the exterior color: white, black, and beige(?) (not sure about the 3rd).

Saw it first hand during Munich factory tour.

Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
Just pop your hood and trunk and take a look. In fact, look behind the door hinge after you open it; it's just white primer. BMW doesn't even bother to spray color in there.
BMW does spray the interior with the appropriate color, just not the clear.
It's harder and less obvious to spot on black or white cars where the base matches the color layer, but both are there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
BMW's current paint work bar is really low.
Agreed.

BMW was never famous for paint work quality (orange peel since 80s), but it took another step down once they went environmentally friendly with water-based paints and thinner coats. Now you get both orange peel and lower durability.

Though a fairly simple deficiency, it very expensive to remedy properly.

a
__________________
'19 TM3P (BK/BK)
'15 F80 M3 (SO/SS)
ex-'17 I01 i3-BEV (PB/DD), ex-'15 I01 i3-REX, ex-E90, E46, E36's, E30's

Last edited by afadeev; 02-14-2017 at 02:26 PM..
Appreciate 1
x.shell6576.50
      02-14-2017, 02:17 PM   #15
x.shell
▆ ✚✚   ▆▆▆▆▆▆
x.shell's Avatar
6577
Rep
5,304
Posts

Drives: ▋ ▉▉
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location:  ▆▆▆ ▆▆▆ ▆

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by afadeev View Post

BMW does spray the interior with the appropriate color, just not the clear.
It's harder and less obvious to spot on black or white cars where the base matches the color layer, but both are there.

BMW doesn't spray color in the hard to reach places like door jambs and trunk etc; they only primer. In the more visible areas like under the hood, it's only primer and color. Here are some pics of F8X door jams and trunk interior etc.

Tanzanite Blue Door Jamb


Tanzanite Blue Inside Trunk


Yas Marina Blue Door Jamb


This is the reason why I chose not to clear bra the car; BMW paint is just not worth it. When my paint gets damaged enough, I'm going to respray the entire car with a proper paint job. After which, I'll get it clear bra'd. Again, this route won't appeal to most M owners but it works for me because I plan on keeping my F80 for a long time.

Last edited by x.shell; 02-14-2017 at 02:23 PM..
Appreciate 0
      02-15-2017, 09:36 AM   #16
hatepotholez
Major
292
Rep
1,015
Posts

Drives: M3
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: NYC, NY

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
BMW doesn't spray color in the hard to reach places like door jambs and trunk etc; they only primer. In the more visible areas like under the hood, it's only primer and color. Here are some pics of F8X door jams and trunk interior etc.

Tanzanite Blue Door Jamb


Tanzanite Blue Inside Trunk


Yas Marina Blue Door Jamb


This is the reason why I chose not to clear bra the car; BMW paint is just not worth it. When my paint gets damaged enough, I'm going to respray the entire car with a proper paint job. After which, I'll get it clear bra'd. Again, this route won't appeal to most M owners but it works for me because I plan on keeping my F80 for a long time.
disgusting.

Is this common for most manufacturers?
Appreciate 0
      02-18-2017, 08:35 PM   #17
RowanBuds
Colonel
RowanBuds's Avatar
1707
Rep
2,052
Posts

Drives: 3 pedal 718, G05, MkVII GTI
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Bergen County, NJ

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by afadeev
Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
But who in their right mind would pull apart the whole car for a respray (other than Yost Racing. Love you guys)?
I wouldn't, but I'm sure there are people out there that do, and do get a very unique car.
I know a guy at work who did it to his 'vette to get a "candy apple red" exterior. It looked great, but is was a very laborous, and a very expensive mod.


Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
It's good enough to take off the easy bits and keep the engine in tact. Simply mask off the engine, and you'll be able to spray almost every nook in the engine bay. Which is way more than what BMW does from the factory. They don't even clear coat anything that's not on the exterior of the car.
It's true that BMW doesn't clear coat the engine bay or the inside of the hood, but they do paint it. In two stages: primer and base coat. It's just the 3rd stage - clear coat, that is forgone.

There are at least three (3) primer colors depending on the exterior color: white, black, and beige(?) (not sure about the 3rd).

Saw it first hand during Munich factory tour.

Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
Just pop your hood and trunk and take a look. In fact, look behind the door hinge after you open it; it's just white primer. BMW doesn't even bother to spray color in there.
BMW does spray the interior with the appropriate color, just not the clear.
It's harder and less obvious to spot on black or white cars where the base matches the color layer, but both are there.

Quote:
Originally Posted by exo-shell View Post
BMW's current paint work bar is really low.
Agreed.

BMW was never famous for paint work quality (orange peel since 80s), but it took another step down once they went environmentally friendly with water-based paints and thinner coats. Now you get both orange peel and lower durability.

Though a fairly simple deficiency, it very expensive to remedy properly.

a
My LMB car is uncleared black in the whole engine bay. I feel ripped off when seeing other cars with exterior matched (and some are clearcoated) engine bays. Infuriating, honestly, as it seems the standard is there is no standard.
__________________
Moved to the darkside: '23 718 GT4; 11-10-2022.

Le Mans Blue F80 - Munich 5-22-2015 / US 7-7-2015 / SOLD 9-17-2022
ED Recap
Arctic Grey G05 - Spartanburg 8-29-2019
X5 PCD Recap
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:53 AM.




f80post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST