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And that wasn't your point. In your first post that I responded to you stated that manuals are "sooo slow" on a road course. That's simply not true and misleading. Maybe for you they are. I'm marginally faster with a DCT. That's my point. Lastly, how can you claim that you are faster than me on a road course? I don't know you and you don't know me...you may very well be faster than me but if so it wouldn't necessarily be because of the tranny. It would be because you are simply a better driver.
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To accommodate the slower MT drivers the SCCA and other sanctioning bodies need to add some new categories for trophies. Sort of like "Miss Congeniality" in a beauty pageant. Because I have a DCT I was able to create these two Photoshopped trophies while I was driving. Could not have done that in an MT car.
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It just means a good driver will always be faster in a DCT - if they're not, then they're not a good driver. I bet captainaudio has vinyl albums. They're fun! It's a physical disk you have to extract from its case that has cool cover art, evokes nostalgia, and makes just playing the opening note of a single track a whole experience; clicking a button isn't close to that experience and doesn't come near setting the mood for the music, which after all is an emotional experience. All of that said, no physical analog media (vinyl, tapes) can reproduce the physical sound better than good digital. So MT vs DCT really isn't a debate, it's a choice of values: * I prioritize the experience of creating speed - get the MT * I prioritize the experience of ultimate speed - get the DCT |
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My argument is you believe you are faster than manual drivers on a track because you have DCT. That's a bold statement, but if it makes you feel better that's cool.
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and beyond that, and beyond the track, there are real roads mille miglia style and in mountains with vertical hairpins, chicains, and switch backs it becomes humanly impossible to keep up to a good DCT paddle shifter ... although of course that depends on the course and the car and its powerband. |
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I’ve driven m/t in my all but one (it was a piece purpose built drag car though) of my sports cars and I have to say that I love the DCT in my M3. This is my first M car and first BMW and I was on the fence initially about getting the DCT but so glad I did. This is especially true if you want to daily it and deal with traffic in your commute. That’s my .02 cents. 🙂
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Love the quickness and feel of DCT. More responsive and also much better for daily driving. Just my 2 cents
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I just swapped my 17 ZCP DCT for a 18 ZCP Manual. The DCT got boring after a while. It’s definitely faster and has shorter gear ratios. Overall it’s a fantastic transmission, but not as smooth as the PDK for example. I don’t think BMW struck the balance between harsh and fast. I’ll report back on the manual experience after the break in, but hopefully it’s more rewarding to drive overall.
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My E92 M3 was my first "automatic." Goodness what a great transmission it was!! Because the aggressive downshifts & amazing exhaust note, I couldn't find any reasons to not drive in M mode.
Once the M4 came out there was no question on what transmission I would pick - DCT! Owning the M4 for almost 3 years, with continuous daily driving & countless track days, I still have the same feeling as I did with my E92. HOWEVER.. the "boredom" of the DCT did get a hold of me.. Solution? I decided to go back a few a generations & purchased an 06 E46 M3 for the days I get "bored" w/ DCT |
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I recently purchased a 2018 M3 w/6mt. I sold my 2017 M2 w/DCT. The DCT is a fantastic option. I thought I would miss it. I haven't.
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I'd always take the DCT for performance reasons, but it also used to be for experience reasons. Now I'm not so sure. I think the MT control would be more fun in daily driving situations. Daily driving: 2015 no contest, DCT. 2018, MT. |
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Can someone please explain to me exactly how driving a manual is 10x more engaging than using paddles on the DCT? Instead of pressing a paddle, you move your foot little and push a lever, woopdidoo, does your pant bulge grow bigger now?
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Can't be explained, has to be experienced. With that being said the DCT is a tremendous transmission.
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For me, it has to do with using all 4 limbs in a more deliberate way of finessing power delivery of the whole package. Paddles are more of an on / off switch closely tied to the steering action, since your hands don't leave the wheel. There's no question DCT is faster. MT is just more engaging in the drive. That to me, makes it more fun.
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