What to get after M4?

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by weinerj100

Valid question. I don't need 4 doors or even 4 seats. So I'm flexible when it comes to size. I just want something that feels right (like the M4 did when I bought it). Driving dynamics trump all... I drive 80% if the time in manual mode and the DCT is my favorite part of the M4. Something is so pleasing about pulling back on the center console mounted shifter for up shifts. Only the PDK in the Cayman comes close.

I'd also prefer some new tech like adaptive cruise control and Android Auto but these things aren't mandatory.

If it's dynamics above all, get a dedicated sports car not a sedan based car.

The typically lower weight and lower seating positions are great.

Of those, i would pick cayman, 911 or vette

[basscadet]

If Budget >$100k, go straight to 911 Carrera S. 2013+

If Budget <$100k, and you need 4 doors -> Giulia QV

If Budget <$100k and 2 doors OK -> Cayman S

if Budget <$75k -> GT 350

Corvettes are Corvettes. They put up good numbers but they're not engaging to drive, and I say this as a former Z06 owner. The 7 speed manual is shit and the automatic transmission is an abomination.

Jags are boats for old men.

Audis are boats for young men who sell cell phones or real estate.

[nicknaz]

Hi, if the budget is >$100k it should be a GT4 or GT3

[Fuller]

Originally Posted by weinerj100

Hi all,

The warranty on my 2015 M4 will be expiring soon and it's time to think about my next daily driver. Currently considering (in order of seriousness).

Alfa Giulia QV
Porsche Cayman S
Jaguar F Type
Audi S5
M3/M4 Competition

Ruled out:
M2
C63


Have driven them all except for the Jag and M3/M4 CP and the QV is in the lead...but I'm a bit put off by the cheap interior bits as well as the lack of HUD.

Anyone in a similar position? Thoughts? Thanks!

I currently have a car without hud, and you get used to it. At first, you keep looking for the hud, but after a while, when you're in that particular car, you learn to accept it. Point being, I wouldn't allow convenience oriented tech, like hud, dissuade me from getting a car I enjoy driving.

[nicknaz]

OP, what are you leaning towards ?

[wj100]

Originally Posted by nicknaz

OP, what are you leaning towards ?

UPDATE:

I went and drove a pre-owned ZCP M4 to see if I could discern a real difference...enough of a difference to get the same generation twice in a row. Honestly, I'm not sure. The car did feel a little more alive to me, the exhaust sounded better, the seats were more "huggy," and the ride was definitely rougher.

It did make me think about getting another one, that's for sure. I think I'm between an M3 ZCP and the Alfa Giulia QV. These are my current pros and cons:

Alfa:
PROS:

1. Engine
2. Chassis
3. Steering
4. Sound
5. It's different

CONS:

1. Cheapish interior
2. No HUD
3. Manual shifting using center console shifter not as satisfying as F80
4. Potential reliability issues
5. Depreciation concerns

M3 ZCP:
PROS:

1. DCT (will be gone in G20)
2. I know I love my current M4 so it's safe
3. HUD
4. Premium interior feel (with extended leather)

CONS:

1. Too similar to current car
2. No adaptive cruise control

So, I'm kinda stuck.......

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by weinerj100

UPDATE:

I went and drove a pre-owned ZCP M4 to see if I could discern a real difference...enough of a difference to get the same generation twice in a row. Honestly, I'm not sure. The car did feel a little more alive to me, the exhaust sounded better, the seats were more "huggy," and the ride was definitely rougher.

It did make me think about getting another one, that's for sure. I think I'm between an M3 ZCP and the Alfa Giulia QV. These are my current pros and cons:

Alfa:
PROS:

1. Engine
2. Chassis
3. Steering
4. Sound
5. It's different

CONS:

1. Cheapish interior
2. No HUD
3. Manual shifting using center console shifter not as satisfying as F80
4. Potential reliability issues
5. Depreciation concerns

M3 ZCP:
PROS:

1. DCT (will be gone in G20)
2. I know I love my current M4 so it's safe
3. HUD
4. Premium interior feel (with extended leather)

CONS:

1. Too similar to current car
2. No adaptive cruise control

So, I'm kinda stuck.......

What did you think of Giulia brakes?

[wj100]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

What did you think of Giulia brakes?

Good point - the brake by wire system is another con. From what I gather (and read) though, you get used to it. But it was definitely not easy to come to a smooth stop.

[trey100]

I haven't driven the Alfa but to my eyes, it just doesn't have the road presence as the M3. It looks more ordinary to me. I wouldn't rule it out if it drives great, but given you are on the fence with both cars, I'd stay with the M3. If you are getting a little tired of driving the same car, then the Alfa.

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by weinerj100

Good point - the brake by wire system is another con. From what I gather (and read) though, you get used to it. But it was definitely not easy to come to a smooth stop.

It’s just software, I’m guessing updates will come in the future. I drove the QF, they were not as bad as reported by the early reviews, maybe the sw updates have already begun?

[wj100]

Originally Posted by shortseller

It’s just software, I’m guessing updates will come in the future. I drove the QF, they were not as bad as reported by the early reviews, maybe the sw updates have already begun?

What did you think of the car in general?

[shortseller]

Originally Posted by weinerj100

What did you think of the car in general?

This is what I wrote elsewhere, which sums it up pretty well.

“Test drove both the Alfa QF and an M3 CP, finally picked the M. It’s my answer to an M5 without the wallet emptied. But have highly resigned myself to the Alfa QV when it hits around 2020, as the QF was what I wanted to feel again but not till a 2 door version. Nice work Alfa, welcome back!”

The reliability unknown and limited dealer network were the two things I couldn’t get past. The car was refreshingly light and fun to drive. Interior hands down went to my loaded F80 CP.

But still hoping BMW owes around to more feel in their future productions. As prices go higher I’m getting priced out of Pcars!