Motorsport January 2017 M3 CP and M2 featured in Car of the year test

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Almost all of this is on course for what's already been written about these cars, not too many surprises (e.g., the Z06 is a monster, the 675LT is in the stratosphere), but a very good showing for the M3 ZCP.

Indeed. The fewer the seats the faster the car ..

[Ilikemike]

Thanks for the post, great to see the M3 perform so well! Especially heartwarming to see it do better than the C63s Mercedes-Benz!

[goj]

Originally Posted by dlk001

M3 Pack Competition
Better engine, chassis and transmission than Camaro & C63. Very good at curve entry, lack of motricity at exit. Better balance than its competitors. Less heavy than M2 and better damping than C63. Loved it.

It is so funny how a car so good gets so much criticism from other magazines. If these professional drivers loved driving the car, it makes me feel like some other mags/journals that we all know well are blowing steam...

[FrenchBoy]

Merci! I love my M3 Comp Pack so far. The car is truly exceptional.

And that's coming from a guy who's been driving an E90 M3 with JRZ, Akra and Stoptech Trophy on track for years.

[Phatcat]

I don't know about this test. Some of the results are strange.

As for the Z06, Auto Bild ran it faster than the 675LT on Sachsenring track. And Sport Auto ran the Z06 on the Hockenheim track only 0.1 second off the 675LT.

Obviously they are different level in terms of desirability and straight line performance, but on track they are very close.

[chris719]

Find the C2S results hard to believe. In other tests it is MUCH faster than the M3/M4 including GTS.

[raysspl]

Massive showing by Porsche & BMW

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by MonacoMurphy

This is amazing. Finally I get to see what my F80 ZCP can do! ANd vs 991C2S it killed it on the long track!!

No more GTS tests PLEASE. So sick and tired of seeing a car barely anyone owns everywhere.

Def not at all anywhere in the realm of a 991.2S despite what those laps show. As I and others have said, even the GTS has been slower than the 991.2S in any head to head so far so no way a zcp is anywhere close.

Just for reference here are the times from MT's best driver's car 2016 at Mazda raceway laguna seca.

911S on summer rubber - 1:36.44

M4 GTS on cup rubber - 1:37.66

Sport Auto

911S in summer tires -7:32

M4 GTS on cup tires - 7:37

Just shows these results are not accurate there.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Def not at all anywhere in the realm of a 991.2S despite what those laps show. As I and others have said, even the GTS has been slower than the 991.2S in any head to head so far so no way a zcp is anywhere close.

Just for reference here are the times from MT's best driver's car 2016 at Mazda raceway laguna seca.

911S on summer rubber - 1:36.44

M4 GTS on cup rubber - 1:37.66

Sport Auto

911S in summer tires -7:32

M4 GTS on cup tires - 7:37

Just shows these results are not accurate there.

Actually 991.2 S ran 7:34 at the ring when sportauto tested it. Last time sportauto tested m4 it ran 7:52 and m4 gts at 7:37 (no test of m4 cp-but likely somewhere in between base m4 and gts).

[Falafel Combo]

I watch this lap and think I could have done quite a bit better. Also makes me want to who ever picked the perfect blind spot behind the pillar as a mount for the gopro.

[manuelf]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Def not at all anywhere in the realm of a 991.2S despite what those laps show. As I and others have said, even the GTS has been slower than the 991.2S in any head to head so far so no way a zcp is anywhere close.

Just for reference here are the times from MT's best driver's car 2016 at Mazda raceway laguna seca.

911S on summer rubber - 1:36.44

M4 GTS on cup rubber - 1:37.66

Sport Auto

911S in summer tires -7:32

M4 GTS on cup tires - 7:37

Just shows these results are not accurate there.

Maybe you should add, that Christian Gebhardt - testdriver of sport auto - mentioned, that the weather conditions on the nordschleife during supertest of M4 GTS were so suboptimal, that they are thinking about a retest on NoS.

(And that Porsche sends highly optimized vehicles including technicians to sport auto test, which all the time check setup/tire pressure is an open secret )

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by manuelf

Maybe you should add, that Christian Gebhardt - testdriver of sport auto - mentioned, that the weather conditions on the nordschleife during supertest of M4 GTS were so suboptimal, that they are thinking about a retest on NoS.

(And that Porsche sends highly optimized vehicles including technicians to sport auto test, which all the time check setup/tire pressure is an open secret )

You mean like BMW sent techs and a Pro driver to set up the M4 GTS for the lightning lap at VIR lol .

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by IB M

Another comparo with no GT350 in the mix.

Two thumbs up for the ZCP.

The engine probably dropped all its oil before they could take it around the track.

[JamRWS6]

Originally Posted by IB M

Another comparo with no GT350 in the mix.

Two thumbs up for the ZCP.

Considering it can't even outrun a Z51 stingray...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by JamRWS6

Considering it can't even outrun a Z51 stingray...

Did you say Drag race ? - wrong thread.

[gmd2003]

Originally Posted by JamRWS6

Considering it can't even outrun a Z51 stingray...

Hell a M4 GTS can't outrun a Z51 stingray .

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by dgp

Actually 991.2 S ran 7:34 at the ring when sportauto tested it. Last time sportauto tested m4 it ran 7:52 and m4 gts at 7:37 (no test of m4 cp-but likely somewhere in between base m4 and gts).

Thanks, was going purely off memory but point remains the same. ZCP is still a far says off competing with a 991.2S. I'd say it might compete with a base 911...might.

Just imagine if you threw cup tires on the S.

Originally Posted by manuelf

Maybe you should add, that Christian Gebhardt - testdriver of sport auto - mentioned, that the weather conditions on the nordschleife during supertest of M4 GTS were so suboptimal, that they are thinking about a retest on NoS.

(And that Porsche sends highly optimized vehicles including technicians to sport auto test, which all the time check setup/tire pressure is an open secret )

The conditions for the 991.2S weren't the best either, albeit better.

Also, as I mentioned above, give the 991.2S cup tires and that gap likely gets 5-7 seconds larger (assuming cups are worth ~1 second per minute).

On Hockenheim the GTS ran better conditions than the S yet those laps were the same 1:09.6 but again the 911 would be much faster if on cups.

And at MT BDC BMW sent a team of engineers to optimize the car for the track, Porsche simply sent a car with a bunch of performance options and still crushed it.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by gmd2003

Hell a M4 GTS can't outrun a Z51 stingray .

A Jb4 Map1 Civic M3 can.

[Devilzmantis]

That stingray is no joke. This should make people rethink that the 991.2 S is a big upgrade from the M3/M4 ZCP... it's not that much. 4 door vs true sports car. Now, i'm really really loving that Cayman! Price points puts the M3/Cayman/Stingray over the top.

[M.a.r.k.u.s]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Def not at all anywhere in the realm of a 991.2S despite what those laps show. As I and others have said, even the GTS has been slower than the 991.2S in any head to head so far so no way a zcp is anywhere close.

Just for reference here are the times from MT's best driver's car 2016 at Mazda raceway laguna seca.

911S on summer rubber - 1:36.44

M4 GTS on cup rubber - 1:37.66

Sport Auto

911S in summer tires -7:32

M4 GTS on cup tires - 7:37

Just shows these results are not accurate there.

M4 GTS ran a 7:27.88 at the ring.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by M.a.r.k.u.s

M4 GTS ran a 7:27.88 at the ring.

I am talking sport auto, where they do a standardized test with the same driver.

Porsche also ran quicker than Sport auto in their factory testing but those are not what I'm taking about since those are "factory" times.

991.2 Carrera S - 7:34
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...-11404996.html


M4 GTS - 7:37
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/s...-11522657.html

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by Devilzmantis

That stingray is no joke. This should make people rethink that the 991.2 S is a big upgrade from the M3/M4 ZCP... it's not that much. 4 door vs true sports car. Now, i'm really really loving that Cayman! Price points puts the M3/Cayman/Stingray over the top.

Not true. The 991.2S is a huge upgrade over a Zcp car given even the GTS can't run with a 991.2S despite advantages in power, torque and tires most notably.

Standard M4 - 1:12.3
M4 zcp hockenheim - 1:11.9
M4 GTS (cup tires) - 1:09.6
991.2S-1:09.6

All cars dual clutch.

Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca (driver Randy Pobst)

M4 -1:39.69
M4 GTS (cup tires)1.37.66
991.2S - 1.36.44

That is nowhere even close to being close. Same goes for a conceptual ring given the 991.2S ran 7:34, the M4 GTS 7:37 (cup tires) and the M4 7:54. The overwhelming evidence outside this bogus test only supports that the 991.2S performs better than anything M has to offer.

I'll take sport auto and also Randy Pobst over some random or lesser known person.

ZCP is nowhere near GTS territory. In all honesty, they usually don't post zcp times because overall the Zcp isn't much of an improvement over the non zcp cars, which it isn't.