Just picked up Alfa Romeo Giulia QV VBM

[rkmm3]

Originally Posted by smithrider

Congrats my friend! She is a great looking car. I am keenly interested in your E90 comparo as I am contemplating the move to the QV as well. Most importantly, does it provide the same intangible level of excitement/engagement in everyday spirited driving.

Comparing the E90

Engine - E90 instantaneous response with the throttle E46 and E90 have it but the F80 M3 and Giulia dont but it doesnt take long to feel the power and you feel a lot more than the NA's. You would def have the fun driving spirited as you're going 100mph in very minimal time on strong accel - still breaking in so thats a reserved statement.

Suspension is tight, i love it. E90 has great suspension as well, both top notch.

BMW has more ability to mess with the assists - Giulia in race mode turns off all assists and you can't turn them on. For example, I like to get all the power in my M but still have MDM on to save my a**. Giulia says you save your own a**. They say you get higher torque limits in race mode but id like to have insurance(TC/ESC) if i have all that power.

The steering response is better in giulia but the heavy feel is better in the e90 (electric vs hydraulic) its actually very similar to the f80 electric but maybe a bit more responsive.

E90 has a bit more room in the back. The sound system is better in the bimmer even though theyre both HK but i think the giulia has one sub and the bmw has 2 possibly for light weight. But sound isn't the end of the world if you buy any of these cars as the motors provide great noises.

Interface is similar to Idrive, i like both but like the giulia right now, prob a little biased but it a bit more sleek in the giulia.

I mean the Giulia is far more car compared to the e90 but i dont see me getting rid of one for the other. I might end up keeping both. E46 might have to go but then i have that with a roll cage and 5 point harnesses for track purposes so im having a hard time stomaching selling that.

One thing i love about the giulia is that the under side of hood is unpainted CF and so after you stare the engine for a bit you look up and see nothing but CF, which is pretty damn lit.

I mean i can go on for a bit comparing them, so im gonna keep it brief

I've left out a lot but anything you or anyone wants my comparison on, feel free to ask.

Brakes are 6 piston in front and 4 piston in rear like F80 i believe, e90 is single piston but they work, and they work good. On any of the mentioned cars.

Originally Posted by MCarRacr07

very nice...looks really good in black..
just got my Rosso Competizione QV....only the weather is lousy here and I don't fancy wrecking her on ice and snow..LOL
Enjoy her!

That color is beautiful. I would have had a hard time deciding between the two! I def need it to be subtle because the looks area already enough as it is. Not one to be flashy, but it seems to be the nature of this vehicle for now.

Yeah its unfortunate with the weather, just be safe! Beautiful car and congrats man! welcome to the club :P

Originally Posted by bloke79

Congrats!!

Would be great to hear your experiences after a few months living with it - very keen to understand what after-sales service is like as well as reliability.

Out of interest - how do you find the auto-transmission? Is it as snappy as the DCT in the M3/4?

It's a pity they don't do a 2 door version - maybe in the next model.

Im not too worried about reliability bc it has 4yr/50k but i am curious to see how it holds up in that time! Id consider getting into another by 3 years but we will see.

The transmission is surprisingly DCT-like. Hard snappy shifts! like i was truly blown away that it was an 8ZF. I've seen the coupe renders and it looks good!!

I love it so far for the minimal time ive had it. I'll continue updating with the time!

Originally Posted by Ian1973

I can't quite figure out how I feel about the front end. The rest of it is good looking though.

Congrats to both of you.

Thank you sir! i mean i love it but i can def understand if people dont.

Originally Posted by MCarRacr07

@Ian1973.....the Alfa snout with the deep V is a trademark much like the BMW Kidney Grills...if you look at those over the evolution of BMW design...they went from narrow...to wider, to squat...with each platform change so did the kidney grills...just look from E30, to E36 , E46 etc etc....
I'm still a fan of BMW M.....but I wanted a change and some of the new stuff they were doing was not to my liking...I hope the Alfa ends up being everything I am expecting...otherwise...what do you buy?? LOL

I felt the same way about BMW, love it, die hard fan, ready for new. Made the right choice hands down.

Ha maybe something that was on the list as runner-ups!? that i posted in my first post.


brake wheel gap is awesome

[Ian1973]

Originally Posted by MCarRacr07

@Ian1973.....the Alfa snout with the deep V is a trademark much like the BMW Kidney Grills...if you look at those over the evolution of BMW design...they went from narrow...to wider, to squat...with each platform change so did the kidney grills...just look from E30, to E36 , E46 etc etc....
I'm still a fan of BMW M.....but I wanted a change and some of the new stuff they were doing was not to my liking...I hope the Alfa ends up being everything I am expecting...otherwise...what do you buy?? LOL

Yes I know this, but its what surrounds the deep V that I can't decide if I like.

I don't know what to buy either.

[rkmm3]

Originally Posted by Ian1973

Yes I know this, but its what surrounds the deep V that I can't decide if I like.

That seems to be the case with this car and women...

[mariom3]

Originally Posted by rkmm3

That seems to be the case with this car and women...

amen to that

[MCarRacr07]

@Rkmm it was nice here today so I took it for a quick highway trip....
steering is def. lighter and quicker than in my E92 or F80...
acceleration is sublime...was doing 85 in a blink...what was scary was that I was not shifting and I was in Normal mode(blue?)..not brave enough to run it in anything else yet...slight lag in the initial stab of throttle..then whoosh...the F80 had a similar lag not bad..but you feel the Hp difference....the E92 had to be in the upper rev range and it would pull really well....
still not used to the brakes...could be me but the M was easier to modulate...still brings a smile to your face

[rkmm3]

Originally Posted by MCarRacr07

@Rkmm it was nice here today so I took it for a quick highway trip....
steering is def. lighter and quicker than in my E92 or F80...
acceleration is sublime...was doing 85 in a blink...what was scary was that I was not shifting and I was in Normal mode(blue?)..not brave enough to run it in anything else yet...slight lag in the initial stab of throttle..then whoosh...the F80 had a similar lag not bad..but you feel the Hp difference....the E92 had to be in the upper rev range and it would pull really well....
still not used to the brakes...could be me but the M was easier to modulate...still brings a smile to your face

I agree with everything!

Brakes were just hard to find that smooth feel for....maybe just an adjustment period. Smile on my face and yours haha id say maybe the F80 has a slight less lag if anything compared to giulia

do you have F80 and E92 or which ones have you owned. Never owned F80/2 myself.

Congrats on your first big drive! Glad youre liking it!

[MCarRacr07]

Originally Posted by rkmm3

I agree with everything!

Brakes were just hard to find that smooth feel for....maybe just an adjustment period. Smile on my face and yours haha id say maybe the F80 has a slight less lag if anything compared to giulia

do you have F80 and E92 or which ones have you owned. Never owned F80/2 myself.

Congrats on your first big drive! Glad youre liking it!

I have/had E30 M3(still own), E36M3 (dedicated track-car:gone), E92M3(sold, was almost lemoned by BMW) F80M3 one of the first Sept. 2014 delivery(gone after 1 year) in between I had an E34M5(Sold for F80) and an E39M5(My absolute favorite..even more than the E30)...
So believe me buying the Alfa was outside my wheelhouse...but I felt M lost its way a little and I always wanted an Italian Sports Car/Saloon...timing was right for me I guess...I'm hoping for the best with this one...a leap of faith and National pride LOL

[WinterScene]

Congratulations!

I checked with the local Alfa dealer in Fort Worth last week and was told they had two coming in this week: one already sold. They were asking for $5K deposit.

[f80er]

Originally Posted by Ian1973

I can't quite figure out how I feel about the front end. The rest of it is good looking though.

Congrats to both of you.

I agree. Car has to look good as well perform for me to get into it. The front end on these just looks off.

[rkmm3]

Originally Posted by MCarRacr07

I have/had E30 M3(still own), E36M3 (dedicated track-car:gone), E92M3(sold, was almost lemoned by BMW) F80M3 one of the first Sept. 2014 delivery(gone after 1 year) in between I had an E34M5(Sold for F80) and an E39M5(My absolute favorite..even more than the E30)...
So believe me buying the Alfa was outside my wheelhouse...but I felt M lost its way a little and I always wanted an Italian Sports Car/Saloon...timing was right for me I guess...I'm hoping for the best with this one...a leap of faith and National pride LOL

Same here, I don't feel M is off, I was def ready for something new, I was thinking Italian but nothing really came close. The Giulia does that and more.

Also I have also owned a 2000 E39 M5, literally was insane. I sold it 3 months ago. It was a sad day. I must say the timing was on point for my self as well. I def took a leap of faith also! I'm used to being spoiled by forums on BMWs that have been around, Giulia forums empty AF. Haha. ZERO diys! You can take it as a bad thing or as an opportunity! I wish you the best of luck with yours! They seem sturdy IMO. I'm hoping to provide a good review. Chris Harris liked the 8ZF more too vs. 6MT

[Daya]

Appreciate all of the feedback

That caliper clearance is insane, I'd be worried about debris getting caught up between the inside of the spokes and scratching the caliper. A 5mm spacer would be worth it for the piece of mind. I'm on the fence about the CCB, I wonder if that has a similar clearance as well.

[nicknaz]

Congrats on the new cars guys and thanks for posting. Nice to get impressions from other m car owners.

2 things I would love to get your thoughts on are oil temps / limp mode at hpde. Once you get there, can you please post temps of your cars and what temps your e90m got to? If you have any personal lap times you are comfortable sharing that would be amazing

I just replaced my f80 (got a friend's modded 996 TT) but have a soft spot for fast sedans/wagons and will be back at some point. Guilia qv definitely on my radar screen

[Warranty P]

Those things are ugly as sin, looks no more than $50K...lol.

[DS_BMW]

What are the lease residuals?

[catchm3ifyoucann]

I'm curious as to how you got one since the website indicates they are not available in the U.S. yet?

[Ian1973]

Originally Posted by rkmm3

That seems to be the case with this car and women...

hah!

[Daya]

Originally Posted by catchm3ifyoucann

I'm curious as to how you got one since the website indicates they are not available in the U.S. yet?

There are at least 4 owners on giuliaforums and there are 18 for sale on autotrader right now. There are 62 pre-spec QV's in first batch allocation to NA dealers

[Daya]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

What are the lease residuals?

No leases available for QV right now. No word on when that will change

[catchm3ifyoucann]

Originally Posted by Daya

There are at least 4 owners on giuliaforums and there are 18 for sale on autotrader right now. There are 62 pre-spec QV's in first batch allocation to NA dealers

Originally Posted by Daya

No leases available for QV right now. No word on when that will change

Didn't know that and bummer to hear about leasing

[Daya]

Originally Posted by catchm3ifyoucann

Didn't know that and bummer to hear about leasing

Lots of good info on giuliaforums

I'm on there just as much as I'm on here

[Daya]

Originally Posted by Warranty P

Those things are ugly as sin, looks no more than $50K...lol.

Looks are subjective but Auto Bild and Bild Am Sonntag named the Giulia the most beautiful car of 2016 and the Germans know a thing or two about good looking cars. I think it is beautiful and cannot wait to get mine later this year!

Press

The new flagship sedan from the iconic Italian carmaker has won one of Germany’s most prestigious automotive awards

Since 1976, each year The Golden Steering Wheel awards are hosted by the German publications Auto Bild and Bild am Sonntag. Vehicles are voted on by their readers plus a panel of 29 automotive experts, distinguishing the best models in each market segment. This year, the Most Beautiful Car award went to the Alfa Romeo Giulia, honouring the Italian carmaker’s flagship sedan for its looks.

Some panel members included rally world champions Walter Röhrl and Sébastien Ogier, DTM champion Mattias Ekström and designer Andrea Zagato.

Created by the Alfa Romeo Style Centre, the exciting Giulia is a new expression of the best Italian tradition that combines harmonic proportions, linearity of style, high quality materials and sophisticated aluminium, wood and leather accents. All embellished with iconic elements originating in brand’s over one-hundred-year history, the most significant of which is the trefoil, arguably the most famous emblem of Alfa Romeo design.

[rkmm3]

Originally Posted by WinterScene

Congratulations!

I checked with the local Alfa dealer in Fort Worth last week and was told they had two coming in this week: one already sold. They were asking for $5K deposit.

Jump on it quick! Just make sure its refundable if you go forward.

Originally Posted by Daya

Appreciate all of the feedback

That caliper clearance is insane, I'd be worried about debris getting caught up between the inside of the spokes and scratching the caliper. A 5mm spacer would be worth it for the piece of mind. I'm on the fence about the CCB, I wonder if that has a similar clearance as well.

I'd assume so, and def thank you for the advice, i'll consider it, i like the look but now you got me thinking. Def dont want problems like such you mentioned.

Originally Posted by nicknaz

Congrats on the new cars guys and thanks for posting. Nice to get impressions from other m car owners.

2 things I would love to get your thoughts on are oil temps / limp mode at hpde. Once you get there, can you please post temps of your cars and what temps your e90m got to? If you have any personal lap times you are comfortable sharing that would be amazing

I just replaced my f80 (got a friend's modded 996 TT) but have a soft spot for fast sedans/wagons and will be back at some point. Guilia qv definitely on my radar screen

Thank you! I wont be able to get you that number anytime soon but i will as soon as i can. Maybe Mcar will get it sooner?

Originally Posted by catchm3ifyoucann

I'm curious as to how you got one since the website indicates they are not available in the U.S. yet?

Dealers get them first, i called and put my name on the list December 2015

Originally Posted by Daya

There are at least 4 owners on giuliaforums and there are 18 for sale on autotrader right now. There are 62 pre-spec QV's in first batch allocation to NA dealers

Hi! i recognize ya from the giulia forums :P

Originally Posted by Daya

No leases available for QV right now. No word on when that will change

Id say they'll go one year w/out the lease options. Thats what they did with 4C but who knows.

Originally Posted by Daya

Lots of good info on giuliaforums

I'm on there just as much as I'm on here

Originally Posted by Daya

Looks are subjective but Auto Bild and Bild Am Sonntag named the Giulia the most beautiful car of 2016 and the Germans know a thing or two about good looking cars. I think it is beautiful and cannot wait to get mine later this year!

Press

The new flagship sedan from the iconic Italian carmaker has won one of Germany’s most prestigious automotive awards

Since 1976, each year The Golden Steering Wheel awards are hosted by the German publications Auto Bild and Bild am Sonntag. Vehicles are voted on by their readers plus a panel of 29 automotive experts, distinguishing the best models in each market segment. This year, the Most Beautiful Car award went to the Alfa Romeo Giulia, honouring the Italian carmaker’s flagship sedan for its looks.

Some panel members included rally world champions Walter Röhrl and Sébastien Ogier, DTM champion Mattias Ekström and designer Andrea Zagato.

Created by the Alfa Romeo Style Centre, the exciting Giulia is a new expression of the best Italian tradition that combines harmonic proportions, linearity of style, high quality materials and sophisticated aluminium, wood and leather accents. All embellished with iconic elements originating in brand’s over one-hundred-year history, the most significant of which is the trefoil, arguably the most famous emblem of Alfa Romeo design.

Im definitely in love

Its very subjective, to each his own. If you like it yay, if you dont yay also

Walter Röhrl