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      12-07-2007, 03:31 AM   #1
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330D Hesitation...

Hi all,

I've noticed in the last 48 hours that there has been an occasional slight hesitation on the throttle on my car. This can be at either constant speed or during acceleration ad is VERY slight.

Has anyone got any ideas what might be causing this or is it a trip to the stealer again?
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      12-07-2007, 04:21 AM   #2
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Hi Nathan,

My E90 330d would do this occasionally. Like a little hiccup. I think that it's been mentioned before and there is no fix for it. I didn't worry about it and the car now has 40k miles on the clock with no adverse affect.

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      12-07-2007, 04:39 AM   #3
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Hmmmm,

Well it hasn't done it in the previous 25,000 miles so I class it as a problem..... which BMW need to fix.

Anyone else suffered this?
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Sounds like a re-map is required, this will get rid of any flat spots, and make it a lot smoother
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A drop of 'bad' petrol perhaps?
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A drop of 'bad' petrol perhaps?
That would give more than a misfire, its a diesel
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That would give more than a misfire, it a diesel
A drop of bad diesel?
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Sure its not just the particle filter burning of...well particles ?
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Sure its not just the particle filter burning of...well particles ?
That would be my guess too, although that doesn't explain why it's only just started to happen (or perhaps it is becoming more noticable with higher mileage)

Perhaps you could get the dealer to check the particulate trap?

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That would give more than a misfire, its a diesel
LMAO!

I think a trip to the dealer is in order then (That should be fun this side of Xmas). Crazy as it seems but it has only started happening since I've been driving a little more reserved (just a test to see the ACTUAL effect on mpg).

I guess booting it will sort it out

Are remaps advisable on manual cars?
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I saw a posting relating to the E90 330d on http://www.peachorlemon.co.uk however that owner was reporting what he called turbo lag, apparently recognised by BMW as a fault. As it seemed to be an isolated report I didn't let it put me off, and I have had no such problems with mine

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BMW 3 Series 3000cc 330d M Sport E90 Diesel Automatic Saloon 2005
This is the third 330d M Sport BMW diesel Automatic I have purchased. This is the first of the new shape models the E90. I Would not advise anyone to buy this car, it suffers from Turbo Lag which BMW Customer Service have confirmed to me. This I consider to be dangerous. As it happens when you slow down and then accelerate again, Beware!!! You have been warned. The car was built in December 2005 and bought brand new in the UK throgh the BMW dealer network in March 2006.
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No, this is definitely NOT turbo lag as it happens in the rev rage where the turbo would be spooled up and working. Lag only occurs when you're effectively waiting for the turbo to kick in.

This feels almost like a misfire on one cylinder and happens for a split second.

I'm wondering if it is in fact a dodgy batch of fuel?
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That would be the best outcome for all us 330d owners
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No, this is definitely NOT turbo lag as it happens in the rev rage where the turbo would be spooled up and working. Lag only occurs when you're effectively waiting for the turbo to kick in.

This feels almost like a misfire on one cylinder and happens for a split second.

I'm wondering if it is in fact a dodgy batch of fuel?
what like when tescos fucked up around this time last year?
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Possible I guess. A friend of mine ended up with half a tank of water in his M3 a few months back from a Texaco garage.

Which was nice.....
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As you say, try giving it a good boot and see how it goes!
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Possible I guess. A friend of mine ended up with half a tank of water in his M3 a few months back from a Texaco garage.

Which was nice.....
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I'm pretty sure, I experience what you are describing.

It occurs only on light throttle (eg. constant speed) and usually just under 2000rpm. (Following other traffic?)

If the throttle is pushed on just slightly, you feel a hesitation for part of a second, then it feels normal.

I've put it down to another type of 'turbo lag'....

Not because it's just coming into the turbo range. (On my 325, this starts about 1200rpm), It's beacuse the engine is so lightly loaded under these conditions, that there is not sufficient exhaust flow to keep the turbo spinning at operating speed.

It's not just engine rpm that spins the turbo, it's the exhaust gas flow.

If you are never particularly gentle with the throttle, you'll never experience it...

I'm not going to let a dealer fook about with it 'cos I'm sure it'll come back with more problems than it went in with!!!

Leave well alone mate!
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I'm pretty sure, I experience what you are describing.

It occurs only on light throttle (eg. constant speed) and usually just under 2000rpm. (Following other traffic?)

If the throttle is pushed on just slightly, you feel a hesitation for part of a second, then it feels normal.

I've put it down to another type of 'turbo lag'....

Not because it's just coming into the turbo range. (On my 325, this starts about 1200rpm), It's beacuse the engine is so lightly loaded under these conditions, that there is not sufficient exhaust flow to keep the turbo spinning at operating speed.

It's not just engine rpm that spins the turbo, it's the exhaust gas flow.

If you are never particularly gentle with the throttle, you'll never experience it...

I'm not going to let a dealer fook about with it 'cos I'm sure it'll come back with more problems than it went in with!!!

Leave well alone mate!
the ''only'' thing that spins the turbo is exhaust gas but depending on revage/engine load comes into account of how much etc
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NathanJT

I'm pretty sure, I experience what you are describing.

It occurs only on light throttle (eg. constant speed) and usually just under 2000rpm. (Following other traffic?)

If the throttle is pushed on just slightly, you feel a hesitation for part of a second, then it feels normal.

I've put it down to another type of 'turbo lag'....

Not because it's just coming into the turbo range. (On my 325, this starts about 1200rpm), It's beacuse the engine is so lightly loaded under these conditions, that there is not sufficient exhaust flow to keep the turbo spinning at operating speed.

It's not just engine rpm that spins the turbo, it's the exhaust gas flow.

If you are never particularly gentle with the throttle, you'll never experience it...

I'm not going to let a dealer fook about with it 'cos I'm sure it'll come back with more problems than it went in with!!!

Leave well alone mate!

My 325d always did this from 8 miles on the clock, there were a few posts from around the world all saying the same.
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The thing that I found annoying with the 330d was the off throttle boost loss, ie when you came up behind someone at around 90 and lifted off and then planted it after they had pulled over to find that you had lost all your boost and had to wait untill it built up again. The 335d is better in this respect but it is a trait most turbo engines suffer from. You can of course reduce it with some clever driving

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The thing that I found annoying with the 330d was the off throttle boost loss, ie when you came up behind someone at around 90 and lifted off and then planted it after they had pulled over to find that you had lost all your boost and had to wait untill it built up again. The 335d is better in this respect but it is a trait most turbo engines suffer from. You can of course reduce it with some clever driving

Regards

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i quite like lag, that feeling of build up then


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Cant believe you guys complaing of a 330diesel turbo lag, what boosts comes in hard at about 1500 rpm on one of those? sheesh

try driving a 300+bhp cosworth with a big turbo thats what ya call lag!!
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