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It's a long sweeper so not a true corner like you're thinking of (sorry if that was misleading). I used to race formula cars for fun and used to have a scca and asa comp license so I assure you my statement is factual. It was precisely at that moment when I was going 155mph (electronic speed limited) on a long sweeper in a stock S4 (minus lightweight wheels/upgraded brakes) that I became a BIG fan of Audi and the quattro torque vectoring system. I literally remember screaming in astonishment for a good 10 mins at what a set of Michelin PSSs + Quattro could do.
That's why I always say BMWs will amaze you with their ability to slip but Audis will amaze you with their ability to grip. And it's not something you'll really notice until you've had enough time to build trust with the car. So I can understand why so many ppl on here have a hard time believing Audis are awesome because when I first had the S4 (after owning a e92 M) I sort of hated it until I realized that I could corner at speeds I never imagined were possible. I actually am still building that trust with the RS5 now but at least it sounds delicious. My M4 arrives in August. We shall see if she can tear me back to BMW |
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Another win fkr BMW regardless M4 or M5/6 - Since I have an M5 not M4 but been considering the M4 but it seems too much of a track car for my humble driving skills - |
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To all who say it us useless to compare the m4 to the same price, same category RS5 until the new model comes out: Would you agree it's also useless to buy the RS5 until then?
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06-26-2014, 12:01 AM | #98 | |
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To be clear if I were a new buyer in the market I'd personally go for the M4 simply because it's newer (audi wasn't even supposed to be selling the RS5 anymore). However once the updated competition comes out then consumers really have choices if they need 4 seats +luxury+performance. Right now m4 is the only one on the block Last edited by onatuesday; 06-26-2014 at 12:14 AM.. |
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Don't get me wrong I think M has done a great job with all the things that are working against them. But this is a standard fare. Don't worry though when the new RS5 comes out the M4 will be garbage. At the end of the day though I'll take any of them well except a GM product..... |
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06-26-2014, 01:25 AM | #100 |
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Here is my take on the M4/M3 competitors.
Some people seems to forget that M3/M4 is based on BMW AG's regular 3 and 4 series which in turn is basically the same cars underneath. The BMW M then make some modifications to the standard chassis and develops some new parts and tune them for the cars to make them more sporty ect ,the same is done at for example Audi RS and Mercedes AMG. This ensures if not to heavily modified that the standard versatility is still intact and i guess this is why so many people like these type of cars. So i think the competitors for the M3/M4 is Audi RS5/RS4, Mercedes C63 AMG sedan/coupe, Lexus RCF/IS F, Cadillac ATS-V and maybe some future Jaguar based on the coming XE model. I dont think the for example Porsche 911 or Corvette C7 is M3/M4 competitors those cars are dedicated bespoke sportcars built from the ground up to be sportcars. Look for example at the Corvette C7 bespoke aluminium chassis thats a long way from regular 3/4 series chassis. When building a dedicated sportcar mostly it results in a faster car than one based on a regular family car. But of course there are drawbacks when you built a dedicated sportcar you lose some of that versatility and comfort,interior space,luggage space, number of seats, to low ground clearance ect often a standard based car can bring all days all year round. |
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06-26-2014, 05:20 AM | #102 |
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06-26-2014, 05:32 AM | #105 |
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In winter weather on snow or ice with the high torque might be fun with the m4, but any audi would prevail...
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06-26-2014, 05:43 AM | #106 |
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Audi still offers the RS5 new. Not so the E92. Let's face it, BMW has just re-set the performance bar. Just as it did with the E36 M3. It's good to be back.
Would have been fun if this were an M3 not an M4 - the family sedan takes on the killer coupe, and wins.
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The performance capabilities of ALL cars is compressing and plateauing. There simply is not a real difference among all top tier performance cars any more. Those of us that track our cars, at least stock cars, only leave the track with a smile....no prize money. The driver means far more than any difference established among the top 20 stock cars. And if you are a good driver and want to absolutely smoke any showroom stock vehicle with a good driver it is relatively easy to do. And you typically don't need to or wouldn't want to start with any of these current gen vehicles (you could just that your total cost is higher).
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when you go to the performance school they take you on the irrigated circle and make you feel what it's like to lose the back end and to "CPR" (control, pause, recover). drifting is the further iteration of this technique. it makes a lot of sense in that regard
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Not if what they did was a warm up lap and then a flying lap. The CCB will only given better results when the standard brakes begin to become heat challenged. However, after a couple of laps, the two would have identical stopping power.
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