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      07-25-2014, 09:33 AM   #1
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BMW M3 vs Alpina D3 diesel - fast saloon showdown by Autocar

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what you guys think?
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      07-25-2014, 10:26 AM   #2
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D3 DOMINATED M3 in that review.
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      07-25-2014, 10:49 AM   #3
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my respect for Sutcliff continues to wane. he just loves to hate on the M3.
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      07-25-2014, 11:04 AM   #4
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he missed a big point. d3 would've been great if based on m sport line. it just looks like a autozone parts job on the exterior. just looks horrible.
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      07-25-2014, 11:15 AM   #5
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my respect for Sutcliff continues to wane. he just loves to hate on the M3.
Agreed. Never liked his way of reviewing cars either.
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I just wish the D3 didn't look so tame/lame. They are both fast, one is really sporty and the other is more lux... simple enough.
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      07-25-2014, 11:32 AM   #7
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M3 VS the Alpina D3

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      07-25-2014, 11:32 AM   #8
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Pretty fair review I'd say (not that I've driven a D3). But personally, as most of you have read, I LIKE the sound of the S55. And this is coming from an S65 owner.

Also, BMW need to bring a 335d or 535d Touring in the US. I'd get one of those and drive it till the wheels fall off.
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      07-25-2014, 11:35 AM   #9
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Odd review, really two different cars.

For what sutcliffe seemed to value, the alpina is good.

To me, a heavyish calm and stoic automatic sedan that looks like a base model 335 is not something that would interest me

I like the rawness and aggression of the m3. Sports car soul in a practical sedan body.

To each their own though
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      07-25-2014, 12:49 PM   #10
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D3 Biturbo Touring for me please.
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      07-25-2014, 12:54 PM   #11
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Hmmm, quicker lap time for the D3.
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      07-25-2014, 01:10 PM   #12
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Sutcliff really comes across as biased when reviewing the M3 (seen two now). Def not a fan.
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      07-25-2014, 01:47 PM   #13
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faster around the track even with half the fuel? No, but sorry no.
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      07-25-2014, 02:08 PM   #14
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Perhaps the D3 really is that good. Had a hard time believing it brakes better and is faster through the course. But was he really complaining that the M3 was louder and more unrefined than a luxury Alpina?
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The fact is this- out of all the reviews I've read and watched Sutcliffe is the only one who really does not like this car .
I believe someone at M division must have gone round to his house, shagged his wife and then eaten his dog the day before this car was launched......
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I don't think he's an M3 hater...just has different expectations for it.

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He does seem to have it out for the M3. I'm betting if he used launch control the acceleration test would have been a lot different and if he used MDM the track times would have been a lot different. I almost feel like he deliberately set the tests up to disadvantage the M3 and the tools it comes with.
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Imagine if he put the old M3 up against the D3. Wonder how he would have reviewed it.

Something tells me he likes the "sounds" of the loud v8. I saw his 507 vs. M review earlier.
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He does seem to have it out for the M3. I'm betting if he used launch control the acceleration test would have been a lot different and if he used MDM the track times would have been a lot different. I almost feel like he deliberately set the tests up to disadvantage the M3 and the tools it comes with.
It does seem that way. I'm sure the Alpina is a fantastic car that does a lot of things better than the M3 ( fuel efficiency , comfort etc) while still offering awesome performance but I will be utterly amazed if it starts lapping circuits faster than the new M3. In fact I will state now that the only test in which it out performs an M3 on a track is this one in the hands of Sutcliffe.
I also believe that straight line speed will be in favour of the M3 by a decent margin from a roll or dig with M3 using LC.
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I'm betting if he used launch control the acceleration test would have been a lot different
FWIW, at 1:15 in the video you can clearly see that LC is being used on the Alpina, but not the M3.

The Alpina also has a lot less fuel in the tank than the M3.
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      07-25-2014, 03:22 PM   #21
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FWIW, at 1:15 in the video you can clearly see that LC is being used on the Alpina, but not the M3.

The Alpina also has a lot less fuel in the tank than the M3.
You sir are correct. Busted Sutcliffe.

1. Why are they testing the Alpina on almost zero fuel? M3 has half a tank so 30 kg right there.

2. Launch control used on Alpina but not the M3- after he stated ' they just turned off DSC and mashed the gas' hmmmm
3. M3 set to Efficient engine response not Sport +......why is that?

Could he have disadvantaged the M3 anymore to get the result he wanted? Very poor Sutcliffe.
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