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      09-14-2016, 04:51 PM   #1
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Through the years, BMW has provided a total of 11 M cars to Car and Driver for its annual Lightning Lap competition at Virginia International Raceway.

Notwithstanding size and weight increases throughout the years, lap times have dropped on newer models. Driving feel and enjoyment is of course harder to quantify and chart, however.


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Clearly lap times have decreased over the years which is the same for most any track. Indeed, vehicles have gotten heavier and faster , particularly aided by multiple repaves of the circuit over time as well as the advancement of tire technology.
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Clearly lap times have decreased over the years which is the same for most any track. Indeed, vehicles have gotten heavier and faster , particularly aided by multiple repaves of the circuit over time as well as the advancement of tire technology.
Imagine lap time variance if they reduced weight more drastically!
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Who's idea was it to squish all that data into ONE graph?? My brain was hurting trying to figure out what was what. I couldn't figure out how the Z4 was the fastest for a minute there.
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Woah... the M4 GTS is good! talk about outlier
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Woah... the M4 GTS is good! talk about outlier
I mean it better be good, a GTS cost triple roughly what my M4 cost..
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what a retarded ass graph
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How come M2 weighs less than M4 GTS?
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Graphs have become bloated and heavy over the years.
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Graphs have become bloated and heavy over the years.
They sure don't make them like they used to
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How come M2 weighs less than M4 GTS?
The M2 gets less hoes riding passenger
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How come M2 weighs less than M4 GTS?
From another Car and Drive article the M4 GTS is 43 pounds lighter than the M4 they weighed previously or 3538

http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook...al-deep-dive#2

and the M2 in this C&D article weighs 3510 - http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m2
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From another Car and Drive article the M4 GTS is 43 pounds lighter than the M4 they weighed previously or 3538

http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook...al-deep-dive#2

and the M2 in this C&D article weighs 3510 - http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m2
For some reason I thought M4 GTS weight around 3300 lbs.
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Folks need to take this data with a grain of salt. VIR has been re-paved through the years, and the drivers who are clocking the laps are journalists, not professional drivers.
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what a retarded ass graph
I'd fire my analytics director for a graph like that
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Who's idea was it to squish all that data into ONE graph?? My brain was hurting trying to figure out what was what. I couldn't figure out how the Z4 was the fastest for a minute there.
It's a mess.
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I guess graphs went turbo too
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Graph giving me a headache too.

Is there a list view?
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It's a mess.
+1 need data labels next to each dot.

Also what's the point of a regression without R2?
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My first thought after looking at the graph:
"Hmm.. what a strange ADVANCED graph... I must be terribly inexperienced with graphs"

Then reads the comment.
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Who's idea was it to squish all that data into ONE graph?? My brain was hurting trying to figure out what was what. I couldn't figure out how the Z4 was the fastest for a minute there.
Imagine being color blind and a little a.d.d.
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From another Car and Drive article the M4 GTS is 43 pounds lighter than the M4 they weighed previously or 3538

http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook...al-deep-dive#2

and the M2 in this C&D article weighs 3510 - http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m2
For some reason I thought M4 GTS weight around 3300 lbs.
All the diet was added back by wider rim, water injection, roll cage, and etc. Sport Auto weighed their GTS test car and it was only 14KG lighter than the M4 they tested.
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