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      04-19-2017, 10:16 AM   #221
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So much negativity.
Perhaps you should wait until you drive it.
I have not driven it but the comments of an M4 GTS without the complexity comes from someone who has.
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      04-19-2017, 10:19 AM   #222
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I should add that, with the M4 CS ending production a year before the F82 M4 does, that theoretically leaves the door open for an even hotter M4 CSL or similar offering at the end of the model's life. Not sure how likely that is, but they must have some reason for not just carrying the CS all the way to the end.
Exactly. There is potential for further development.
But we can expect M2 CS and potentially an M8 CS later.
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      04-19-2017, 10:20 AM   #223
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It looks nice, but the performance specifications and other bits don't really make it special. I'm sure there will be buyers for it, but at this price range, a P-car might be a better value.
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^^This!^^

Tbh, it just looks an an M4 with a new lip, spoiler, and wheels. I was hoping for the rear fenders to be wider, some front end refresh, with majority of the work done with the motor (490 HP would be nice).

I'm pretty sure this car will be selling over $100K in the USA. Don't forget about dealership MARKUPS...
M4 CS is deliberately understated as are other M cars. It does need any further track or body enhancement as some of the Aftermarket has already vomited up.
It's perfect in its form, not to brash. But still usable with drawing attention.
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      04-19-2017, 10:28 AM   #225
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Haha! They will sell tons of them! There will be waitlists for them! You weren't their target customer and you wouldn't have bought one anyway. Stop it with the fake outrage already. The manufactured outrage by MT fans is so tired and contrived. MOST people don't want an MT anymore so just give up the crusade.

MOST people!
Thank you Capt Obvious. I know they will sell tons of them that they will manufacture in the next 2 years and I do know I wasn't going to buy the M4 CS. I was hoping to see an MT in the CS because I am on the waitlist for the M2 CS.

If you're so tired, go be elsewhere or don't bother responding. MOST people don't give a Sh** what you think.
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      04-19-2017, 10:30 AM   #226
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^^This!^^

Tbh, it just looks an an M4 with a new lip, spoiler, and wheels. I was hoping for the rear fenders to be wider, some front end refresh, with majority of the work done with the motor (490 HP would be nice).

I'm pretty sure this car will be selling over $100K in the USA. Don't forget about dealership MARKUPS...
M4 CS is deliberately understated as are other M cars. It does need any further track or body enhancement as some of the Aftermarket has already vomited up.
It's perfect in its form, not to brash. But still usable with drawing attention.
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^^This!^^

Tbh, it just looks an an M4 with a new lip, spoiler, and wheels. I was hoping for the rear fenders to be wider, some front end refresh, with majority of the work done with the motor (490 HP would be nice).

I'm pretty sure this car will be selling over $100K in the USA. Don't forget about dealership MARKUPS...
M4 CS is deliberately understated as are other M cars. It does need any further track or body enhancement as some of the Aftermarket has already vomited up.
It's perfect in its form, not to brash. But still usable with drawing attention.
Have there been any discussions about the manual transmission getting the CS treatment?
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Have there been any discussions about the manual transmission getting the CS treatment?
The (global) market has spoken.
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      04-19-2017, 10:34 AM   #228
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So much negativity. Perhaps you should wait until you drive it.
Well, the specs are disappointing. I was so anxiously waiting for this CS and I am left on my appetite. Reading between the lines in the press release, the suspension and exhaust seem like carry overs from the Competition Pack, the engine only has a rather modest increase over the CP and it gets the Spartan interior from the GTS. I actually wished for the exact opposite: the engine and suspension from the GTS and the interior from the Competition Pack. The thing they seem to have gotten right is the aero: between CP and GTS.

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I have not driven it but the comments of an M4 GTS without the complexity comes from someone who has.
Marketing talk

Now, I just need info on local pricing to decide what I'll do
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      04-19-2017, 10:35 AM   #229
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San Marino Blue for the win! Finally a real M blue!

How about we add this to the regular color palate
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I don't see how people are getting sticker shock on this thing.

A ZCP with CCB's, and 7-Speed with no other options has an MSRP close to $90k right off the bat. Now add the custom carbon fiber aero, alcan/leather interior, GTS hood, OLED lights, the new tune, and a new color then I can understand why the car is in the low $100's.

Now, the CS being worth the money is debatable and boils down to personal preference.
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      04-19-2017, 10:39 AM   #231
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I don't see how people are getting sticker shock on this thing.

A ZCP with CCB's, and 7-Speed with no other options has an MSRP close to $90k right off the bat. Now add the custom carbon fiber aero, alcan/leather interior, GTS hood, OLED lights, the new tune, and a new color then I can understand why the car is in the low $100's.

Now, the CS being worth the money is debatable and boils down to personal preference.
The $8k CCB are not standard on the CS.
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If nothing else, the existence of this model will at least likely make the parts such as the oled lights and cfrp hood more readily available for folks who like to retrofit.
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I wonder how much of that time comes from the PSC2...
Conventional wisdom will say at least 8 sec or so. That would leave 4 sec for suspension, power, weight and aero - believable IMO.

Interesting so few people in this thread are worried about the track performance, which should be more important for a CS model. After all, it gets a decontented interior expressly for that purpose...

Anyway, I expect the times would be very similar to say a ZCP with Ohlins and 275/305 R comps. Heck for the price difference you can get the Tractive suspension and still have a chunk of change...
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Conventional wisdom will say at least 8 sec or so. That would leave 4 sec for suspension, power, weight and aero - believable IMO.

Interesting so few people in this thread are worried about the track performance, which should be more important for a CS model. After all, it gets a decontented interior expressly for that purpose...

Anyway, I expect the times would be very similar to say a ZCP with Ohlins and 275/305 R comps. Heck for the price difference you can get the Tractive suspension and still have a chunk of change...
Also my thoughts. Part of that "4 seconds" is already imbedded in the Competition Pack through the suspension upgrade and 19hp over the base M4. Considering the CS has the carry over suspension from the CP and a modest 10hp increase, I wonder how much faster the CS really is over the CP on the same tires.
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Wheres the M3 CS?!
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      04-19-2017, 11:13 AM   #237
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Wheres the M3 CS?!
It is in your imagination my friend.
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      04-19-2017, 11:24 AM   #238
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I'm curious to see who is smarter the consumer or bmw marketing.

Absolutely beautiful car none the less
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The $8k CCB are not standard on the CS.
Ah yeah, that came off wrong. I wasn't trying to elude that they came standard but more so attempting to show that you can easily get a non-CS M4 really close to $100K.

These CS/GTS only parts will be low volume options and will probably carry a higher premiums over the more common options.
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The (global) market has spoken.
How so? This is a first time that the M4 CS models is released so there is no historical data regarding the transmission preference of DCT vs 6MT.

The demands of the buyers of the vanilla M4 are quite different from the demands of the people that are willing to stretch their budget out a further 40-50% for a car take drives almost identical at road legal speed but without the comfort amenities.

People like me (and a few I know of) are willing to consider this car IF it has a 6MT. Now without this option the whole customer segment is gone and may be gone for good.

A 2nd hand Cayman GT4 or a Boxster Spyder is now a very attractive proposition for those who wants a 6MT CS. I really hope that the 6MT will be given a 2nd look on the M2 CS...for the sake of M and its fan base.

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I love my e46 m3, I love my civic F80 m3, but all this makes we want a Porsche the next time around. I'm sitting out any further model "enhancements" until the next generation.
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So we were hoping for an understated GTS but got a fancier ZCP?

Looks nice though
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