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      07-11-2017, 01:52 PM   #1
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Video: BMW M4 CS Attacks Goodwood Hillclimb at Hands of Colin Turkington

Taking on the infamous Goodwood Festival of Speed Hillclimb, Team BMW BTCC driver Colin Turkington did the BMW M4 CS proud as he raced against the clock.

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yes! thats a cool camera set up also
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Warm, sunny day...and still the car has problems putting power down.

AWD can't come soon enough.
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Warm, sunny day...and still the car has problems putting power down.

AWD can't come soon enough.
Adding AWD to overcome a chassis that has poor mechanical grip is a band-aid.. however... you can get an M5 with AWD now if you like AWD that much.
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Yeah keep AWD away from the 3/4 please. things are heavy enough already.
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Yeah keep AWD away from the 3/4 please. things are heavy enough already.
I think it's a foregone conclusion that we will see the AWD system from the M5 in the M3/4 at some point, especially if BMW continues to counter new models' weights with additional power.

I have a buddy who told me he got to spend some time with some M engineers a while back, and that ~400 BHP is about all RWD can really handle. My F80 ZCP definitely has trouble putting all of the power down (although my understanding is that this has gotten better over time with the F80/82).

Unless they find a way to drastically reduce weight, it's just a lot easier to add more power and AWD. We shall see...
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I'd take less power and less weight over more power and AWD. Making a lighter car solves many problems.
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Warm, sunny day...and still the car has problems putting power down.

AWD can't come soon enough.
Adding AWD to overcome a chassis that has poor mechanical grip is a band-aid.. however... you can get an M5 with AWD now if you like AWD that much.
When you put 450+ hp to two wheels you're going to have an issue with mechanical grip there's no f'ing way around it you can't keep adding horsepower without adding a couple extra drive wheels.

I am sure you will agree.

Otherwise you need a McLaren P1.
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Warm, sunny day...and still the car has problems putting power down.

AWD can't come soon enough.
Adding AWD to overcome a chassis that has poor mechanical grip is a band-aid.. however... you can get an M5 with AWD now if you like AWD that much.
When you put 450+ hp to two wheels you're going to have an issue with mechanical grip there's no f'ing way around it you can't keep adding horsepower without adding a couple extra drive wheels.

I am sure you will agree.

Otherwise you need a McLaren P1.
There are quite a few cars that can put down 600 bhp plus RWD very well indeed, but then again they're not saloons or coupes, and they are in a bracket that BMW won't touch.

I expect AWD will be inevitable at some point sadly. Yet I expect we'll still not see a tourer (wagon) version :/
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Sad that BMW can't figure out how to effectively put the power to the ground, while a camaro SS (factory vs factory setup) isn't a handful to drive due to spinning the rear tires.
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Warm, sunny day...and still the car has problems putting power down.

AWD can't come soon enough.
Adding AWD to overcome a chassis that has poor mechanical grip is a band-aid.. however... you can get an M5 with AWD now if you like AWD that much.
When you put 450+ hp to two wheels you're going to have an issue with mechanical grip there's no f'ing way around it you can't keep adding horsepower without adding a couple extra drive wheels.

I am sure you will agree.

Otherwise you need a McLaren P1.
There are quite a few cars that can put down 600 bhp plus RWD very well indeed, but then again they're not saloons or coupes, and they are in a bracket that BMW won't touch.

I expect AWD will be inevitable at some point sadly. Yet I expect we'll still not see a tourer (wagon) version :/
As long as you can modulate it and turn it off like on the M5 it should be fine
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Warm, sunny day...and still the car has problems putting power down.

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You can always get an Audi :
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The new RS3 is actually very tempting.

At the risk of sounding juvenile, I fear the day an RS3 pulls up next me at a red light, with a light drizzle in the forecast...
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I think it's a foregone conclusion that we will see the AWD system from the M5 in the M3/4 at some point, especially if BMW continues to counter new models' weights with additional power.

I have a buddy who told me he got to spend some time with some M engineers a while back, and that ~400 BHP is about all RWD can really handle. My F80 ZCP definitely has trouble putting all of the power down (although my understanding is that this has gotten better over time with the F80/82).

Unless they find a way to drastically reduce weight, it's just a lot easier to add more power and AWD. We shall see...
LOL. Tell that to Porsche with their latest GT2RS
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Warm, sunny day...and still the car has problems putting power down.

AWD can't come soon enough.
Adding AWD to overcome a chassis that has poor mechanical grip is a band-aid.. however... you can get an M5 with AWD now if you like AWD that much.
When you put 450+ hp to two wheels you're going to have an issue with mechanical grip there's no f'ing way around it you can't keep adding horsepower without adding a couple extra drive wheels.

I am sure you will agree.

Otherwise you need a McLaren P1.
Or.. you just need an M2. ??


BMW has the same suspension setup in three F8x vehicles. The shorter wheelbase M2 does NOT have the issues with putting down torque that the M3/M4 does.

The same thing happened the other way when BMW put the E9x suspension under the E82 1M. The 1M was the chassis that couldn't put the power to the ground whereas E9x was considered to be sublime.

With turbos BMW is still trying to sort out how to get all the power to the ground. They are improving ... from the 1M to F8x M3/M4 to M2.

Perhaps the next Generation they will actually have it sorted.
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Sad that BMW can't figure out how to effectively put the power to the ground, while a camaro SS (factory vs factory setup) isn't a handful to drive due to spinning the rear tires.
True story

then again.. that's also partly because we haven't seen a turbo sportscar from Chevrolet. Oh wait yes we did.. the Chevy Cobalt SS...
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I think it's a foregone conclusion that we will see the AWD system from the M5 in the M3/4 at some point, especially if BMW continues to counter new models' weights with additional power.

I have a buddy who told me he got to spend some time with some M engineers a while back, and that ~400 BHP is about all RWD can really handle. My F80 ZCP definitely has trouble putting all of the power down (although my understanding is that this has gotten better over time with the F80/82).

Unless they find a way to drastically reduce weight, it's just a lot easier to add more power and AWD. We shall see...
LOL. Tell that to Porsche with their latest GT2RS
I'm with this guy. Although the RR layout adds traction under power, it's still 700HP on a pendulum.

Even if you could turn off the AWD you can't turn the extra mass it's carrying off. I already have an X5M I don't need another two ton M car.
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Warm, sunny day...and still the car has problems putting power down.

AWD can't come soon enough.
Adding AWD to overcome a chassis that has poor mechanical grip is a band-aid.. however... you can get an M5 with AWD now if you like AWD that much.
When you put 450+ hp to two wheels you're going to have an issue with mechanical grip there's no f'ing way around it you can't keep adding horsepower without adding a couple extra drive wheels.

I am sure you will agree.

Otherwise you need a McLaren P1.
Or.. you just need an M2. ??


BMW has the same suspension setup in three F8x vehicles. The shorter wheelbase M2 does NOT have the issues with putting down torque that the M3/M4 does.

The same thing happened the other way when BMW put the E9x suspension under the E82 1M. The 1M was the chassis that couldn't put the power to the ground whereas E9x was considered to be sublime.

With turbos BMW is still trying to sort out how to get all the power to the ground. They are improving ... from the 1M to F8x M3/M4 to M2.

Perhaps the next Generation they will actually have it sorted.
The 1M is symbolic & sanctimonious.
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Adding horsepower is fun but shedding weight is an addiction. Started with the M3PE, Dinan sway bars and BBS FI-r's. I think carbon structure seats help.

How diffucult would it be for BMW to deliver a seriously lightened up M3/M4? I don't really get why the M4CS has a full leather interior? Gotta be at least a Cow in there
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and a DCT too...

Remember a certain BMW person saying DCT's are dead because transmission at their limits? Think BMW is just lazy/don't want to spend money in updating/making another M-DCT that can handle more.
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