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      10-27-2017, 11:33 AM   #265
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is the beginning of BMW weening us off of manual transmission cars. Mark my words!
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Do you think the camo includes the two front splitters? Since BMW camo that part as well. I was going to get splitters as is but now I might wait for the rear spoiler for the M3cs version instead of standard M Perf F80 one.
It will likely share the front splitter with the M4 CS. The M4 CS splitter does not have the scallops needed to accommodate the the M-Performance CF covers.
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is the beginning of BMW weening us off of manual transmission cars. Mark my words!
If electric cars go mainstream, BMW doesn't want to get left behind. Electric cars have insane torque and doesn't need a manual gearbox. It would slow the car down performance wise. For driving enthusiasts, it sucks since it takes the fun out of shifting. In the not so distance future, driving will probably be a past-time anyways. We'll be passengers in all vehicles even if you sit in the drivers seat.
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is the beginning of BMW weening us off of manual transmission cars. Mark my words!
They've been doing that for well over a decade, perhaps even two. Have you not been paying attention?
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      10-27-2017, 12:27 PM   #269
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So disappointed the CS version of the M3 is not offered in a manual.

At this point; I am thinking the M2 CS which has a great ratio of (6MT) sales in the base M2 will not offer a manual transmission. I know many think it will, but I just don’t see it.
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If electric cars go mainstream, BMW doesn't want to get left behind. Electric cars have insane torque AT ZERO RPM and doesn't need a manual gearbox. It would slow the car down performance wise. For driving enthusiasts, it sucks since it takes the fun out of shifting. In the not so distance future, driving will probably be a past-time anyways. We'll be passengers in all vehicles even if you sit in the drivers seat.
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It may yet get the M3 CS name. But, even if that happens, just due to how much time is left, it’s going to end up being very limited.
Yeah, CS name is kind of weird. Which also means that CS in the M4 CS probably means Club Sport or Competition Sport.

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These are older cars right? Obviously they are building newer ones now, but it is pretty interesting that the pics show the old headlights and old seat badges. But then maybe the car in post #88 was built long after these, but still prior to March 2017. Edit: I see that car was built in July 2017. So, we have yet to see one. Maybe if we finally get shots of one of these other test cars said to be out there, they’ll give us a better picture of what the final content is.
Those M3 CRT model codes were assigned at the same time as the M4 GTS model codes, back in 2015. Since we know that the prototype in this photo is based on the regular M3 + 9MR option code we can safely assume that it is not going to be a CRT(meaning GTS drive train) otherwise BMW would've used those model codes.

The car in the photo is a test mule. It is most likely a very early pre-production F80 M3 that is being reused for the M3 CS development. It is very common.
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      10-27-2017, 05:42 PM   #272
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This is making me want to cancel my current M3 order and wait for the CS. Ughhh

If its around $85-90k i think it would be good deal.
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      10-27-2017, 06:45 PM   #273
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I'm guessing the car will be in the $90-$100k range (closer to $100k), or more.

It's highly improbable a special edition F80 will only cost the sum of parts/options.

There must be a surcharge for exclusivity.
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      10-27-2017, 07:19 PM   #274
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I'm guessing the car will be in the $90-$100k range (closer to $100k), or more.

It's highly improbable a special edition F80 will only cost the sum of parts/options.

There must be a surcharge for exclusivity.
Depends how you see the cost of parts. The GTS hood from what I can see is $4732 USD. If the cost of the vehicle was $4732 higher because of this, it is the "cost of sum of part" provided you overlook the cost of standard hood they didn't have to supply. So they're getting their premium too - any more is just M Tax.

I've looked at a few places and costed them out the best I can, and the cost of adding the bits this car has after buying just a CP by my calculations comes to about $12600 (front splitter, hood, M wheels/tyres and rear spoiler). So to me, if it's any more than that premium over a CP, it's hardly worth it - especially as you can sell the hood and wheels/tyres that come with it. Sure, the suspension tweaks and extra power would be nice, but I'm ok with what I have.

The car I have specs out to about $79500, so $92000 would be about the break even point for me to consider the CS model to be of value to me. $90K would be good. $100K would be a no-go unless something special came with it - like a 7MT or massaging seats (by that I mean a hot blonde sitting in the back massaging me through the cutouts).
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This is making me want to cancel my current M3 order and wait for the CS. Ughhh

If its around $85-90k i think it would be good deal.
That's what I did when I heard about the M4CS. I had planned to change my M4 in the spring of 2017. 11 months later, I am still waiting for a release date and pricing info.

Don't hold your breath...
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That's what I did when I heard about the M4CS. I had planned to change my M4 in the spring of 2017. 11 months later, I am still waiting for a release date and pricing info.

Don't hold your breath...
11 months from now will be the last month of production. I'll bet you we find out about this model before that!
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11 months from now will be the last month of production. I'll bet you we find out about this model before that!
Agreed. Unless they do something like the E90 CRT...
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      10-30-2017, 10:04 AM   #278
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They've been doing that for well over a decade, perhaps even two. Have you not been paying attention?
Well, my car is a manual so they haven't been doing a good job over the last 20 years.
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Well, my car is a manual so they haven't been doing a good job over the last 20 years.
Your sample size of one is just a little on the small side, no? Like I said, you just haven't been paying attention to the lineup.

They've been removing manual transmissions from the option sheet for a long time now. You haven't been able to get a 7 Series with a manual transmission for generations now, and the 5 Series similarly hasn't had the option since the E60 if not the E39 (in the US, anyway). Similar story for the X5 and the X3. And the X4/X6 have never had manuals offered. Even with today's 3 Series, there are only some models that can be had with manual. And the 4 Series GC has no manual on offer at all. On the M front, the manual was removed from the M5 last generation except in the US, and the new one has no manual even here in the US. M8 will not have a manual either.

The only upcoming BMW I know of that is currently reported to get a manual option is the Z4. Hopefully that becomes a reality. It is still likely for the next 1, 2, 3, 4 Series to all offer manuals in some capacity, but that hasn't yet been confirmed. I should add that the next M2 is all but a lock for the MT option too.
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Your sample size of one is just a little on the small side, no? Like I said, you just haven't been paying attention to the lineup.

They've been removing manual transmissions from the option sheet for a long time now. You haven't been able to get a 7 Series with a manual transmission for generations now, and the 5 Series similarly hasn't had the option since the E60 if not the E39 (in the US, anyway). Similar story for the X5 and the X3. And the X4/X6 have never had manuals offered. Even with today's 3 Series, there are only some models that can be had with manual. And the 4 Series GC has no manual on offer at all. On the M front, the manual was removed from the M5 last generation except in the US, and the new one has no manual even here in the US. M8 will not have a manual either.

The only upcoming BMW I know of that is currently reported to get a manual option is the Z4. Hopefully that becomes a reality. It is still likely for the next 1, 2, 3, 4 Series to all offer manuals in some capacity, but that hasn't yet been confirmed. I should add that the next M2 is all but a lock for the MT option too.
Just FYI, non-M F10 could be had with el Manuél, too. 535i and 550i at least.

They'll still be producing manual cars, but my guess is only the low-spec models that the US and other markets outside Europe don't even get. So exactly where it makes the least sense for enthusiasts. There's really no added Freude am Fahren by a manual transmission in a G30 520d.

I think the F2x/F3x are the last hurrah of manual, RWD, inline-six Bimmers.
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Just FYI, non-M F10 could be had with el Manuél, too. 535i and 550i at least.
Thanks - didn't know that.

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They'll still be producing manual cars, but my guess is only the low-spec models that the US and other markets outside Europe don't even get. So exactly where it makes the least sense for enthusiasts.
Yeah, I honestly don't know what's still available ROW as far as the MT, but I know that they are still a popular way for manufacturers to keep MSRP down on the lower end models.

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I think the F2x/F3x are the last hurrah of manual, RWD, inline-six Bimmers.
I don' know - I'd be pretty shocked if there is no manual in the next generation M240i. And as for the next M2, well, there's only a very little chance that they don't offer a manual in that one in my opinion. For every other model, I at least agree that there is a lot less certainty right now. For sure, not everything with an I6 will see a reprieve of the manual in the future G2x/G4x lineup.
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Just FYI, non-M F10 could be had with el Manuél, too. 535i and 550i at least.
Manual 550i was only available in the US and Canada. It was discontinued at LCI
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Your sample size of one is just a little on the small side, no? Like I said, you just haven't been paying attention to the lineup.

They've been removing manual transmissions from the option sheet for a long time now. You haven't been able to get a 7 Series with a manual transmission for generations now, and the 5 Series similarly hasn't had the option since the E60 if not the E39 (in the US, anyway). Similar story for the X5 and the X3. And the X4/X6 have never had manuals offered. Even with today's 3 Series, there are only some models that can be had with manual. And the 4 Series GC has no manual on offer at all. On the M front, the manual was removed from the M5 last generation except in the US, and the new one has no manual even here in the US. M8 will not have a manual either.

The only upcoming BMW I know of that is currently reported to get a manual option is the Z4. Hopefully that becomes a reality. It is still likely for the next 1, 2, 3, 4 Series to all offer manuals in some capacity, but that hasn't yet been confirmed. I should add that the next M2 is all but a lock for the MT option too.
The E39 did come with a manual in the US. I drive a E39 540i with a manual. The E60 also came with a manual. My mechanic drives a E60 550i I think which also has a manual.
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The E39 did come with a manual in the US. I drive a E39 540i with a manual.
Yep. The language "since the E39" is defined as being inclusive in the English language.

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The E60 also came with a manual. My mechanic drives a E60 also has a manual.
Very believable, since, as was pointed out above, even the F10 535i and 550i were available with a manual until their LCI. In any case there haven't been any for years now, and moreover, exact historical details aside, it is a fact that BMW has been systematically removing the manual transmission option from their model lineup for over a decade.
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even the F10 535i and 550i were available with a manual until their LCI.
Just to clarify, manual transmission was discontinued at LCI only on the 550i. On the 535i it was discontinued after the first year of the LCI
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It may yet get the M3 CS name. But, even if that happens, just due to how much time is left, it’s going to end up being very limited.
Yeah, CS name is kind of weird. Which also means that CS in the M4 CS probably means Club Sport or Competition Sport.

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These are older cars right? Obviously they are building newer ones now, but it is pretty interesting that the pics show the old headlights and old seat badges. But then maybe the car in post #88 was built long after these, but still prior to March 2017. Edit: I see that car was built in July 2017. So, we have yet to see one. Maybe if we finally get shots of one of these other test cars said to be out there, they’ll give us a better picture of what the final content is.
Those M3 CRT model codes were assigned at the same time as the M4 GTS model codes, back in 2015. Since we know that the prototype in this photo is based on the regular M3 + 9MR option code we can safely assume that it is not going to be a CRT(meaning GTS drive train) otherwise BMW would've used those model codes.

The car in the photo is a test mule. It is most likely a very early pre-production F80 M3 that is being reused for the M3 CS development. It is very common.
It's definitely being named an F80 M3 CRT.
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