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      11-15-2017, 07:36 AM   #1
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Give me the M3 CS please, until then I will take the 911 GTS haha.. wait.. no.. well
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It will all depend on BMW's pricing strategy. I believe MT are grossly overestimating the US price of the M4CS in this review.
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I'm not sure what's more nerve wrecking. Driving 190mph or driving through the snowy mountain side on ultra high performance SUMMER tires.
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It will all depend on BMW's pricing strategy. I believe MT are grossly overestimating the US price of the M4CS in this review.
Same retardedness magazines give us when they compare the M4 GTS to the GT3 RS.

The M4 CS will likely cost around 100k, so it should be compared against a base 911.

The 911 GTS is 130k with almost zero equipment. That is the competition to the M4 GTS.
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It will all depend on BMW's pricing strategy. I believe MT are grossly overestimating the US price of the M4CS in this review.
Same retardedness magazines give us when they compare the M4 GTS to the GT3 RS.

The M4 CS will likely cost around 100k, so it should be compared against a base 911.

The 911 GTS is 130k with almost zero equipment. That is the competition to the M4 GTS.
I think they are comparing horsepower over price

911 gts 450hp
M4 cs 460hp

M4gts 500hp
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It will all depend on BMW's pricing strategy. I believe MT are grossly overestimating the US price of the M4CS in this review.
Same retardedness magazines give us when they compare the M4 GTS to the GT3 RS.

The M4 CS will likely cost around 100k, so it should be compared against a base 911.

The 911 GTS is 130k with almost zero equipment. That is the competition to the M4 GTS.
I think they are comparing horsepower over price

911 gts 450hp
M4 cs 460hp

M4gts 500hp
Power to weight ratio is more important.
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Same retardedness magazines give us when they compare the M4 GTS to the GT3 RS.

The M4 CS will likely cost around 100k, so it should be compared against a base 911.

The 911 GTS is 130k with almost zero equipment. That is the competition to the M4 GTS.
Aside from power, GTS is also an equipment package which bundles a lot of Porsche's most popular items. I'd probably add a few more things, but I think you could get a base GTS and be happy.
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I think they are comparing horsepower over price

911 gts 450hp
M4 cs 460hp

M4gts 500hp
They are comparing 'intention', as in 'this is BMW's raciest car, lets compare it against Porsche's raciest and see what happens'
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I'm not sure what's more nerve wrecking. Driving 190mph or driving through the snowy mountain side on ultra high performance SUMMER tires.
mountain side for sure. BTDT. i've lived in the midwest 30 years... and Texas not near as long..
Snowy weather in Missouri, West Virginia... that's no joke, jack!
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Aside from power, GTS is also an equipment package which bundles a lot of Porsche's most popular items. I'd probably add a few more things, but I think you could get a base GTS and be happy.
The 911 GTS is the exact same thing as if BMW didn't stupidly limit CS production and just added an 'extreme competition package'
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They are comparing 'intention', as in 'this is BMW's raciest car, lets compare it against Porsche's raciest and see what happens'
Dead wrong.. the M4 GTS is the raciest version of the M4.. you can put your P-orsch-enis back in your pants.. as the M4 GTS has already been compared to the raciest Porsche (at that time) all over the place, and we do know the result.

This is the comparison of the BMW mid range racy model vs the same from Porsche.
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Dead wrong.. the M4 GTS is the raciest version of the M4.. you can put your P-orsch-enis back in your pants.. as the M4 GTS has already been compared to the raciest Porsche (at that time) all over the place, and we do know the result.

This is the comparison of the BMW mid range racy model vs the same from Porsche.
I agree, both are in the same market slot in their respective product lineup. Slotted between the mostly track focus (911GT3/M4GTS) and sportier version of the base (911S/M4CP) and meant for a little more track bias while not sacrificing too much DD practicality.

However, I donít find the 911GTS and M4CS compete in the same price and performance segment.
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This is what the CS is up against. Just may be the best DD 911 ever.
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I would go Porsche GTS with the 7-speed manual transmission and not even give it a second thought.
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Dead wrong.. the M4 GTS is the raciest version of the M4.. you can put your P-orsch-enis back in your pants.. as the M4 GTS has already been compared to the raciest Porsche (at that time) all over the place, and we do know the result.

This is the comparison of the BMW mid range racy model vs the same from Porsche.
I agree, both are in the same market slot in their respective product lineup. Slotted between the mostly track focus (911GT3/M4GTS) and sportier version of the base (911S/M4CP) and meant for a little more track bias while not sacrificing too much DD practicality.

However, I don√ɬā√ā¬ít find the 911GTS and M4CS compete in the same price and performance segment.
Comparing BMW M3/M4 vs 911 is simply a comparison of fine German products, one a 4-5 seat sports coupe/sedan and the other a 2+2 sports car.

They have the same relevance vs each other as a Mustang (muscle car ) and a Corvette (sports car ) in the United States. Thank god GM didn't kill the Camaro along with the Firebird or we would be enduring those comparisons in Motor trend.
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I think the real question is "how can I get both?"
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Dead wrong.. the M4 GTS is the raciest version of the M4.. you can put your P-orsch-enis back in your pants.. as the M4 GTS has already been compared to the raciest Porsche (at that time) all over the place, and we do know the result.

This is the comparison of the BMW mid range racy model vs the same from Porsche.

I did read the thread M3 Adjuster. I was providing an analogy. To put it more clearly, they are comparing cars by intention instead of by price.

So the raciest ones get compared, then the N-1's, etc.

I did see the results of the M4 GTS vs the 991 GT3 RS and GT3, however, I maintain my position that they are not price comparable and not actually competitors
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However, I donít find the 911GTS and M4CS compete in the same price and performance segment.
This is what I am getting at
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This is what I am getting at
no arguments there..
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I am contemplating both cars so there is some relevancy to this comparison. Good to see that these kind of seemingly unrelated comparisons are being made IN ADDITION to the more straight forward ones previously mentioned in this thread.
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they still have not unveiled price eh, seems like the car was announced almost 6 months ago, what's taking so damn long
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