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      06-19-2011, 12:34 PM   #265
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The reality is that it will most likely get a TT V6. They will take the F10 M5 engine and chop off two cylinders like that did with the precious model. Why do so many have an issue with this? It will have 450 HP and get much better fuel mileage. BMW has committed to making this change and I'm sure the end result will be awesome!
Hmm, now that you mention it, that does sound like a very likely scenario.
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The reality is that it will most likely get a TT V6. They will take the F10 M5 engine and chop off two cylinders like that did with the precious model. Why do so many have an issue with this? It will have 450 HP and get much better fuel mileage. BMW has committed to making this change and I'm sure the end result will be awesome!
Agree... And way higher torque curve as well.
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Agree... And way higher torque curve as well.
Despite torque being largely irrelevant to most performance metrics we care about...

Now that fact that it will be in the neighborhood of 450 hp, that is going to be impressive.
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S65 Bi turbo!
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s65 biturbo for sure
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Just get the job done.

I'd prefer that they speed up the R&D and launch the M car earlier, rather than a year or two after F30 released.

Since the new car comes with a longer bonnet, M division might surprise everyone with a rumbling Inline-8 turbocharged instead.

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a TT V6 would make sense and would be my preference...
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1. S65 V8 Biturbo Engine:
I like the idea.

2. Modified N54 Engine:
My favorite option. I like a 3.5~4L I6 with or without turbo. Still plenty of time left for R&D.

3. Modified S63 Engine:
No one engine for all? I dunno, I think #4 is a little more disappointing.

4. V6 Engine Based on the S63:
My least favorite option.

One thing all previous M3 sedan or coupe shared in common is "REV". I appreciate new technologies but something is never to be forgotten. Sure, turbo can provide gobs of torque. If turbo is a must for efficiencies, then I prefer a turbo engine revving to 8k like my E46 M no matter what platform BMW decides to go with.

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1. V8 Biturbo
Least likely IMO. Think of the past, M3s typically 2 less cylinders than M5. Also, does not fit in with new corporate direction of "Efficient Dynamics" - this option will not be sufficiently efficient.

2. Development of N54 - no forced induction.
2nd least likely. First, not special enough. Second, I don't expect M engineers will get the power/fuel efficiency combo they want w/ this design.

3. S63 - probably too big for M3 (weight etc).

4. Mod S63 - 6-cyl.
Plus: can likely get the hp/mpg combo. Negatives: V6. But when we think about it, the E9X M3's V8 set the stage for this strategy of downsizing the M5's donk. Also, development costs / time lessened. Have not seen reviewers complaining about the S63 - except that it does not rev like the prior M5's V10. Same will likely be said of next gen M3/M4. I think this model is pretty likely.

5. New gen IL6 with tri-turbo (with electrical pre-lim spool to eliminate drag). Say 3.2 - 3.4L. My preferred option: would get to 450 hp and maybe 25-30% more efficiency than outgoing V8. Also possible.

Don't get me wrong: I love my M3's V8. Just that with new fuel targets, globally, the writing is already on the wall. Tech must move on.
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      11-12-2011, 03:23 PM   #274
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The TT 4L V8 option may not be too far fetched if the i8M is going to have at TT 4L V8 according to Roundel.

http://roundel.imirus.com/Mpowered/i...ssue=5&page=42

Double click to zoom in under the pic.
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Interesting! OK, maybe this would be used in a ltd edition of the M4, ie, as the M3-GTS is to the M3. I doubt it is in the mass produced M3 - cost for one.
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An S65 or S63 BiTurbo Engine would be fantastic, but following the BMW heritage an In-line 6 BiTurbo would be more appropriate. I for one would be disappointed and feel short changed if BMW through a modified N54 engine in there and it just doesn't seem right to have an M with a V6.
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      11-15-2011, 09:16 PM   #276
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S65 V8 Biturbo Engine for me, thanks...
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      11-17-2011, 03:51 PM   #277
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I would like to see either the s65 or s63 varients myself. 500-550 horses is would be perfect, with the new M5 @ 600 horses.
E60 M5 had 500 HP and the E92 has ~420HP. Keeping the 70-80HP gap between the M5 and M3, if the F10 M5 weighs in at ~600HP, I can see the F30 M3 putting down ~490-500HP. To get that from a I6 will truly be an marvel of german engineering. More likely it would be a twin turbo V8. In that respect, I hope they keep the current S63 engine and modify it vs lets say shoving the engine from the 550i in an M3 body (hey they did it with the 1M in taking the Z4 N54 engine!)

A twin turbo V6? On paper, it works for Nissan GTR, but we are BMW fans, not Nissan fans. The workhorse I6 is what brought us to this flame. Don't cheat us mid flight!
I couldn't have said it better!
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      11-18-2011, 02:08 AM   #278
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S65 V8 Biturbo engine!! No questions asked, i will surely purchase one
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      11-18-2011, 01:41 PM   #279
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S65 V8 Biturbo engine FTW. THIS will be a beast~~
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      11-22-2011, 01:10 AM   #280
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The people who want an s65 type engine in their new M3, have really lost touched with reality.


First, why even wish for an outgoing (outdated) engine in a new car(?), and why would bi-turbo'ing it, even matter..? Then it would have 600HP and who really cares about horsepower..?

If u take the WEIGHT of the next M3, u want enough HP to accelerate THAT vehicle... and you design the engine (& car) around your new metric. How can anyone ignorantly claim (even jokeningly) that a 8 cylindar is wanted, needed, or even logical..?


Hint: The 1M has a 3.0 engine @ 400hp/400lb-ft of torque (tweaked)...



Since BMW is shopping 450hp, then u have to base ANY & ALL thoughts with this logic & reasoning in mind. Otherwise, it isn't even an educated want/opinion, it just blabbering.

The new engine will be close to a 3.5 liter, turbocharcged 6 cylindar. In-line, V or Boxed... The configuration of the cylindars is all we are discussing here, plus the virtues of each design.

Again, we all know it is going to be turbo'ed (bi, or tri..), so can we please stop with the overly ignorant banter and be a tad bit more germane? This board is starting to sound like girly talk, instead of BMW talk.



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In-the-end, it really doesn't matter what design BMW chooses, just as long as the metrics are there & the drivertrain is good. Plus, how many people even understand the technology in their s65, or s63..? Let alone tri-turbo..

Coincidentally, how many people have driven a 1M coupe, & suggested the car is ruined by the engine?
Clearly you are as out of touch with reality as the people you accuse. If you knew anything about the bmw's inline six engines, there is no way its going to be 3.5 or 4 L. That would take an entirely new inline engine build as the n54 is out of space to bore it out any more and you cannot stroke it that much if you want to have any type of relatively high revs.

They are not going to design a dedicated inline 6 just for the m3. They likely will use a V6 as this would not require a totally new design as its based off the M5 V8.

The only engine I would be disapointed in is a version of any existing engine in tweaked form, such as the 1m. I have no clue how people want a 1m knowing its a 335/135 engine. Half the fun of driving the m3 is knowing you have a 1 of a kind engine, that no other car model has. It has unique sound, feeling etc. It may not always be the fastest or most efficient but it is special and feel is what m owners strive for. As long as its a unique m3 engine I do not care. M3 owners need to feel they have some special technology and I just like to see M push the limits on technology, but whatever form it takes is fine by me, so long as its at the edge of that type of technology
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The only engine I would be disapointed in is a version of any existing engine in tweaked form, such as the 1m.
The I6 engine that is in question is based upon the N55 and has a 3.2l displacement. I however am for the 3.3l V6, it will be the most special M engine ever, as the first V6 engine ever built by BMW. This configuration is also best for FI, weight distibution and lower center of gravity. From what I know, favor again turns out to the V6.
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The people who want an s65 type engine in their new M3, have really lost touched with reality.


First, why even wish for an outgoing (outdated) engine in a new car(?), and why would bi-turbo'ing it, even matter..? Then it would have 600HP and who really cares about horsepower..?

If u take the WEIGHT of the next M3, u want enough HP to accelerate THAT vehicle... and you design the engine (& car) around your new metric. How can anyone ignorantly claim (even jokeningly) that a 8 cylindar is wanted, needed, or even logical..?


Hint: The 1M has a 3.0 engine @ 400hp/400lb-ft of torque (tweaked)...



Since BMW is shopping 450hp, then u have to base ANY & ALL thoughts with this logic & reasoning in mind. Otherwise, it isn't even an educated want/opinion, it just blabbering.

The new engine will be close to a 3.5 liter, turbocharcged 6 cylindar. In-line, V or Boxed... The configuration of the cylindars is all we are discussing here, plus the virtues of each design.

Again, we all know it is going to be turbo'ed (bi, or tri..), so can we please stop with the overly ignorant banter and be a tad bit more germane? This board is starting to sound like girly talk, instead of BMW talk.



IMO:
In-the-end, it really doesn't matter what design BMW chooses, just as long as the metrics are there & the drivertrain is good. Plus, how many people even understand the technology in their s65, or s63..? Let alone tri-turbo..

Coincidentally, how many people have driven a 1M coupe, & suggested the car is ruined by the engine?


I think you are out to lunch my friend.

Who said they have to make a 600 hp tt S65. If they choose to add turbo's to the s65 the main reason will be for increased efficiency instead of increased power. Lowering compression, heat efficiency via turbocharging, making same power at lower rpms due to said turbocharging, cylinder deactivation at part throttle are all ways that they could accomplish this.

If they so choose they could use the S65 with TT and tweaking and achieve the targetted power of 450-500hp and get better mileage than the current one. I suspect the efficiency of the V6 may be slightly better even with these tweaks and this may determine the ultimate decision in the end.
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A member of the BMW France board has just stated on a TV show that the M3 would get an inline 6.

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That info came from his neighbor who knows a genitor in BMW facilities who heard it from a finance guy who heard it from his cousin?

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That info came from his neighbor who knows a genitor in BMW facilities who heard it from a finance guy who heard it from his cousin?
I'm pretty sure he meant "Board of Directors for BMW France" not "French BMW message board".
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Don't get me wrong: I love my M3's V8. Just that with new fuel targets, globally, the writing is already on the wall. Tech must move on.
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Don't get me wrong: I love my M3's V8. Just that with new fuel targets, globally, the writing is already on the wall. Profits must continue to grow even higher.
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