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      08-11-2011, 02:30 PM   #67
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had a Nissan GT-R, had a blown '09 Challenger SRT8 6speed manual and now I'm driving the M3 6speed manual. All cars had been very track optimized with nearly slicks, big brakes, Pole Position seats, KW suspension, ....

But if the new one is gonna be a bi or tri turbo I'm gonna buy a fairly used Porsche GT3 RS.
No bullshit equipment nobody needs - natural aspirated - 6 speed manual - awesome seats - awesome brakes - real lightweight

Guys...we don't need stuff like "12 zone climate control", leather on the dashboard, "486 speakers sound system", parking sensors, rain sensors, start/stop automatic, Internet, TV, .... and all that stuff which adds weight and doesn't have nothing to do with a real driving machine! ... absolutely nothing!

All of these features are really nice to have and perfect for a 320d daily driver. But where's the real M-Car?
Why are we loosing the high-rev engine? The best of the breed of engine technology?
Why are you adding more and more weight with each generation?

A good friend of mine has a 1M Coupe with all mods done. That thing has over 390HP and massive torque. But even though. Pedal response is "slow" and driving a turbo will never give you that feeling what a NA engines gives you. The direct and lightspeed connection between your brain, foot and the butterfly valves.
Compared to a optimized M3 it's really a shame that the 1M Coupe has a M badge.

Another good friend of mine had the new Z4 with the 3.0 biturbo for 2 days from the dealer. He's a carnut like me and no ... he didn't buy it but bought a fairly used driving machine. The "old" Z4 M coupe.
Whatta difference. The new one is a fat comfortable crusing machine. But in terms of performance and feedback from the car and the street it feels like a schoolbus. Really. I'm absolutely disappointed of the "M brand".
Every new car they throw onto the market is getting more and more extras and weight and looses feedback as well as beeing a driving machine.

That's why I sold my GT-R and bought the M3. The Challenger is still here because it's not comparable and I just love that thing - but it's not a track tool.

And to be honest. After driving a track ready M3 e46 I know I should have bought that instead of an e92 M3.

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      08-11-2011, 02:34 PM   #68
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For Production the first car to demonstrate this engine will be the X3 M.

Power output will be around the 450BHP mark. As this gives M to play around with further M3 models in the future of the F32 Platform.
Any M3 will continue with the same philosophy. It is not about Power and outright speed. It is about advancing the game in technology , lightness and remaining the best driving car in it's segment. It will continue to do what the E92 has done since 2007. Take on allcomers including new more powerful models such as the C63 AMG Coupe and Audi RS5 and still outdrive them.

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1. the sedan will be a 3 series
2. the coupe will be a 4 series
3. the coupe will be a m3 even though it's a 4 series
4. there is no sedan m3...but magically there it is
1. Yes the sedan/touring remains the 3er
2. Yes the Coupe/Cabrio in light of moving upmarket will be renamed 4er.
3. BMW M. Is a sub-brand of BMW as is BMWi. BMWi has stand alone products that do not crossover with a BMW. i3 for example has nothing to do with a 3er. If you take M for example. M takes the car away from it's BMW routes and completely transforms the way it drives and handles that it becomes an individual product. That is the idea for M and M3 and further signifies that M is a sub-brand within BMW with it's own products.
4. This car is using the Coupe chassis because Coupe's are not ready for public testing.
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      08-11-2011, 02:37 PM   #69
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I know its just a mule, but I wish they would continue the M3 sedan!
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      08-11-2011, 02:38 PM   #70
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wait a second here...
isnt this an M3 sedan??
anyway, I do like what I see so far!! Looks like a really strong M3!
But I really want to know how the Tri-Turbo works...
Is it for power, fuel efficient, or both??
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      08-11-2011, 02:44 PM   #71
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I'm not a fan of the black and white swirly paint job.
Looks to me like they had a bring your kid to work day, gave them a bucket of paint and let them paint the car.
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      08-11-2011, 02:46 PM   #73
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24? Last time I looked it was 14/20?
Oh yeah, sorry.. I was getting 24mpg on freeway driving, so that's what I was remembering. I don't know why EPA ratings are so off the scale anyways...
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so i dont get this - why are we seeing testing of a car not due out for 3 yrs, but not testing of the f32/33 3er thats soon to follow the 3er sedan? this all just seems so premature who knows what theyre trying to actually accomplish here ...
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      08-11-2011, 02:52 PM   #75
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so i dont get this - why are we seeing testing of a car not due out for 3 yrs, but not testing of the f32/33 3er thats soon to follow the 3er sedan? this all just seems so premature who knows what theyre trying to actually accomplish here ...
We should see the F32/F33 mules very shortly
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      08-11-2011, 02:54 PM   #76
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Electric turbo? Come on now..
Why the discredit? Electric turbos have some pretty amazing capabilities.
- Virtual zero turbo lag. Your talking full spooling in only a few hundreds milliseconds, packaging flexibility [e.g. plumbing], ECU controlled boost levels.

You'll start seeing these show up a lot as the tech improves. Mazda is rumored to release their 2013 RX-7 with electric turbo[s].
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      08-11-2011, 02:56 PM   #77
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Let's hope HPFP will not be an issue with this one.
+1. And if they make it to where the HPFP is a direct swap to the N54, that would be awesome. Imagine a higher output HPFP from M3 be a direct swap in the N54. That might solve the fueling limitation for N54s.

... I know I know: just day dreaming here...
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      08-11-2011, 02:56 PM   #78
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Sweet. I'm really hoping they go through with the sedan.
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      08-11-2011, 03:05 PM   #79
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Very interesting indeed. I do hope they keep the 4 door as an option.
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I can't help but think this will be very complex with 3 turbos and all the plumbing. Let's hope HPFP will not be an issue with this one.
That's the beauty of an electric turbo, the plumbing is a bit different - you can do things like separate the turbine from the compressor.
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      08-11-2011, 03:12 PM   #81
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can't wait! been wanting to see what the F30 ///M looks like for so long though. also not a huge fan of the side mirrors either =/
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Dont know if its just me but Im really not feeling those side mirrors. Looks to much Merc. One of the first things I fell in love with the E9X M's was the aerodynamic look of the the side mirrors...
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      08-11-2011, 03:28 PM   #83
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So when will we see the X3M? Late 2012 as a 2013 model? Then the m3 would come out in early 2014 as a 2015 model? That would give BMW 18 months of testing the new engine in real world conditions.
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      08-11-2011, 03:41 PM   #84
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Great news! Interesting to see N54-55 going under the hood of an M3!
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I was totally convinced that pictures of the new M3 was out for a long time ago..

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Here is an other one...
Both are prertty agressive if you ask me..

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I was just about to post that photo. I hope it looks similar to that
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Brakes are clearly some large multi piston units. However, the rotors appear to be the traditional M floating design. Although far better than a 1 piece design BMWs floaters typically do not allow much airflow since th hat blocks the vents...

To the folks comments on looks, mirrors, etc: The production M3, coupe or sedan will look nothing like this very early mule.

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Well, since the current M3 gets 24mpg, the new one better get 30mpg..

Again, if you push hard, both cars will get awful mpg... You will only have the benefit on freeway driving, and depending on you driving habits and commute, the new M3 may not be all that economical. It may not be justified to have 2more mpg and loose a high revving V8 masterpiece.. That's my whole point.

Agreed on M3 is not a sports car.
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Thinking of the "electric turbo" as a supercharger, since that's really what it is, will make your head hurt less.

And 24mpg??? Mine never broke 15.
In my experience 20 mpg is not attainable at normal freeway speeds of 65-80, perhaps 55.

Come on South - share some references! Sure we trust M3post.com has better information than most of us members and even better than most magazines, blogs, etc. However, without a source it remains speculation.
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