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      05-22-2012, 06:28 AM   #155
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Well, this thread really brought out the best in this forum.
no kidding.

It amazes me. I remember reading some of the same type of debate about the 1M, how it would not be a true M car because it doesn't have a "bespoke" engine, it's a "parts bin" car, yadda, yadda. Now look what people are saying.

"Instant classic".

"Most fun car in BMW's lineup".

"Total riot".

Etc.

Sure, people will always bitch and moan, I get that. But have a little perspective. People said the same thing about the F10 M5. OMG turbo M5, no way, V10 rulez yo, yadda, yadda. Now Top Gear calls it the "Best car on sale today".

E9X M3 - amazing car.
E60 M5 - amazing car.

They are the last of the breed....super high specific output naturally aspirated engines. But that breed of engine is dying.

Indycar - N/A V8 engines in 2011, turbo V6's in 2012
F1 - N/A V12 to N/A V10 to N/A V8 to turbo V6 in 2013.

See a trend here?

I am very much looking forward to the F80 M3. I like my current F10 535, but it is a bit aloof, even with all the sport goodies on it. The F30 has enough room for my family of 4 whereas the E90 simply did not. I don't plan on tracking my car, it's a daily driver. I drive in a monumental amount of traffic and usually can't get the car higher than 50 MPH without risking a ticket. For me, the new torque infused M3 will be perfect.

Will I miss the E9x M3? Yes. It will be a classic, and one I wish I had more seat time in. But I have a feeling BMW won't let us down with the F80....
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Ludwig Willisch has a very extensive background within BMW AG which made him the perfect candidate for the US CEO of BMW North America.
Especially in light of the "electric car" statement which brought about the retirement of Jim O'Donnel which shows that global distributors are not informed of the latest developments right away.

Willisch is also very much the "Father" of the current BMW M5 F10, as the car was conceived whilst he was in charge of M. and then continued under Dr. Kay Segler. He is also the Father of the one of BMW M's most successful and highly profitable projects the BMW X5M and BMW X6M. and of course modern day Turbocharging.

Wilisch took over the reigns of BMW North America last year and brought and installed his key men from BMW AG in communications and marketing
in BMW North America.
That should answer the question on his credibility...lol
As if any confirmation was even needed. Lol at people questioning the president of BMWNA, you guys truly amaze me sometimes....
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V8 > I6
And I like my M3 less efficient anyways.
Buy an M5 then ?
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      05-22-2012, 06:51 AM   #158
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Why is everybody hoping for 3.2-3.5 L displacement? Let's say it's just 3.0L and is really just a reinforced N55 block, but all the gains are in an innovative turbo setup.... What's wrong with that?
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disappointed by the doom and gloom in this thread.

If you are buying a BMW for all out top speed/HP then you are probably buying the wrong car. The nissan forum is that way ->

BMW's are about the whole driving experience and yes the engine is a great part of that, but actually I find it the most fun when turning round corners, bouncing in an out of other cars etc etc.

In my mind BMW only let us down with the E36 M3, the others have been mega, 1M, M3,M5 and M6 z4M z3M. The current M5 is outstanding. The current M3 is outstanding, although I have to say I think the E46 was the better all round car and certainly looked a lot better.

Go drive the 1M the M3 needs to move closer to that car in my view.

I personally would prefer a no turbos and I would have been worried about this but after driving the new M5 I'm not worried at all.

My hope is a car around 460BHP and MDCT, light and nimble.

I just want it asap 2 years seems a very long time away. I've never owned another brand of car and i've got faith in the BMW marque and more faith in the the ///M marque.

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no kidding.

It amazes me. I remember reading some of the same type of debate about the 1M, how it would not be a true M car because it doesn't have a "bespoke" engine, it's a "parts bin" car, yadda, yadda. Now look what people are saying.

"Instant classic".

"Most fun car in BMW's lineup".

"Total riot".

Etc.

Sure, people will always bitch and moan, I get that. But have a little perspective. People said the same thing about the F10 M5. OMG turbo M5, no way, V10 rulez yo, yadda, yadda. Now Top Gear calls it the "Best car on sale today".

E9X M3 - amazing car.
E60 M5 - amazing car.

They are the last of the breed....super high specific output naturally aspirated engines. But that breed of engine is dying.

Indycar - N/A V8 engines in 2011, turbo V6's in 2012
F1 - N/A V12 to N/A V10 to N/A V8 to turbo V6 in 2013.

See a trend here?

I am very much looking forward to the F80 M3. I like my current F10 535, but it is a bit aloof, even with all the sport goodies on it. The F30 has enough room for my family of 4 whereas the E90 simply did not. I don't plan on tracking my car, it's a daily driver. I drive in a monumental amount of traffic and usually can't get the car higher than 50 MPH without risking a ticket. For me, the new torque infused M3 will be perfect.

Will I miss the E9x M3? Yes. It will be a classic, and one I wish I had more seat time in. But I have a feeling BMW won't let us down with the F80....
agreed. M division can't afford to make a worse product, especially with the new C63 AMG, IS-F and RS5 breathing down the neck of the E9x M3. and additive: aren't turbo 4's coming back to F1 in 2013?
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More than likely, this is what BMW will do. The N54 was "killed off" because it lacked the reliability & emissions that the N55 was able to deliver. But somehow it keeps resurfacing -- 1st in the 335is, then in the 1M, and now in the 135is.
The 135is uses the N55 @ 320hp.

The N54 will die with the current cars that still use it (E89, E92). The F80 M3's engine will either be based on the N55 (making it an "S55") or on the new generation of I6 that BMW has been working on for the past few years. The latter would make a lot of sense since it has been reported that the target for that engine is up to 400hp for non-M applications. An M application would hit 450hp easily, maybe as much as 480hp or so.
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agreed. M division can't afford to make a worse product, especially with the new C63 AMG, IS-F and RS5 breathing down the neck of the E9x M3. and additive: aren't turbo 4's coming back to F1 in 2013?
It's 2014, my bad. And no, it's 6's. There was much talk of 4's but I believe that Bernie nixed it due to the crappy sound it would make:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_engines#2014

At least that's where it is today. I try to follow the F1 circus but it's way too time consuming and political. It'll probably change 3x when they resign the concorde agreement, etc.

Regardless, downsizing and turbos are coming, and soon.
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People who think FI is inferior to NA engines need to get with it. If you think FI isn't as good as NA than think about F1 and the turbo era. The turbo engines dominated the F1 until it was banned. The most powerful engines in formula 1 ever was either the Honda or BMW turbo engines pumping out 1500hp.

With the new engines and basically elimination of turbo lag I don't see what the complaint is about. Sound? So some of you rather have a better sounding car than a better performing car? With the turbo engines proving itself on the F1 circuit back in the 80's the questions about it's performance should be put to sleep.
I think it is about time BMW M division went to FI engines.
I can see the point. No matter what tricks the manufacturers play, there will always be lag. Even BMW has acknowledged this. I forget where I read it (I read too much BMW news) but the head of //M said, paraphrasing, "we know we can't completely eliminate lag, so we focus on eliminating the way it would ruin a driving experience." So they make an engine that will be ultra responsive when you're caning on it, but there are still times you will catch it off boost.

F1 turbo engines were monsters - with the most wicked turbo lag in existence. Talk about "wait....wait....wait....BOOM!", nothing defined it more. They had a powerband of about 1,500 RPM out of ten times that and were very difficult to drive. And they blew up all the time. But they were fun.

Also, i can see the appeal of revving the nuts off a car. My wife's car is an MDX with respectable power. When i drive it, it's very different than my turbo 535. I can tell the response is sharper, I can also tell that it's weak in the low down and needs to rev. That engine is a gem. Even with SOHC, it LOVES to rev. When the cams change, the flap in the intake opens up at 4,500 RPM and it just HOWLS. Whereas the progress up the rev counter was steady, when the cam change hits, I tell people it's like a magnet got turned on at the redline and the needle is sucked over to the red. The more you rev it, the happier it is. Same with the M3's engine.

But times are what they are and everyone must adapt. I have no doubt that BMW will pull off a corker.
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The 135is uses the N55 @ 320hp.

The N54 will die with the current cars that still use it (E89, E92). The F80 M3's engine will either be based on the N55 (making it an "S55") or on the new generation of I6 that BMW has been working on for the past few years. The latter would make a lot of sense since it has been reported that the target for that engine is up to 400hp for non-M applications. An M application would hit 450hp easily, maybe as much as 480hp or so.
I don't think BMW has the technology right now for fuel efficient 400hp engines (on their standards) for use in non-M cars. That's why they go hybrid. They will add the power via electric engines.

I am very curious if BMW uses Valvetronic on their next M3. This is the essential difference between N54 and N55, not the turbo differences (two versus one twin-scroll). In fact, Valvetronic makes it possible to use one turbo and still have no lag, so it's a combination. I remember the Valvetronic being left out from the previous M3 because of problems at high engine speeds. The next engine will probably also rev to like 7500RPM, otherwise I can't see how they can pass 430hp with a 3-liter engine. And I do think it will be a 3-liter, because they need fuel efficiency and small displacements are critical for this (not sure how Mercedes does it with their monster 5.5-6.3L engines).

The problem with the N55 is that it has weak internals: the crankshaft is not forged like the N54 and the pistons are not made by Mahle (like in the N54) but by a Turkish company. Also the N54 has forged piston rods, and I'm not sure that the N55 has them. An S55 based on N55 will probably be in fact a brand-new engine, with new, more efficient cylinder head (probably with Valvetronic) and also forged internals.

The N54 has been said to be a de-tuned 400hp engine. Based on how much abuse this engine takes and the current tuned power levels (450 crank hp easily hit with stock turbos, and 700hp hit with single large turbo) I tend to think this was true.
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I have a sick feeling in my guts that when they finally announced the details of the next M3, the engine will be underwhelming just like it did on the 1M. I waited for the 1M and when i heard that it was gonna get the same N54 as my 135i, it was no deal for me. Looking at how M is cutting cost these days with no bespoke M engines, i am seriously worried that the I6 on the new M3 is gonna be another tuned up special of the N55/N54 I have full intention on getting the next M3 coupe, but if the engine is not special enough, i am jumping ship. Around this price range (or slightly more), there will be quite a lot of choice with cars like the upcoming Jaguar F type, new Audi R8, etc...
Decent post, but a couple things:
  • The engines BMW has developed in the last ten years offer much, much more power and efficiency than they used to. Heck, the 328 does 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. Bespoke engine development is hideously expensive. BMW only did it because they couldn't get what they needed from the standard engine lineup. Now they can. Why go custom?
  • The R8 starts at $118,000. It's a great car for sure, but it really is a different thing than an M3. It's even a couple years of college tuition more expensive than an M5. I'm not sure the comparison makes sense.
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You can tell who's a new kid around BMW's and who isn't. The new kids whine about BMW getting rid of the V8, which honestly isn't a surprise or a bad thing. I6 is where BMW started. V8's don't belong in M3s. Heck if you're a true purist V8's don't belong in M5's, either.

It's been a while without a I6, but it will be welcome return. V8's are banished back to the 5/6/7 series.

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With the current 335 being so good, I wonder how many people will go for the m3. It can't possibly be the same difference as the last generation.
People said that when the E92 335i came out. They said it was amazingly close to the E46 M3 in many ways, and wondered what BMW could possibly do with the next M3.

Then the E92 M3 came out.
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N54 for the win. It would make a great base for the M3. Drove the V8 and it was lacking torque and the sense of 'rapidity'.
If they wanted to make it special, the new M3 would have the V8 turbo, but then it couldn't have same engine as new M5. "It's all politics, man..."
Sounds like most of your driving occurred in the sub-4000 range. Next time take a proper test drive along appropriate roads where you never dip BELOW 4000 and I guarantee that you won't be lacking in a feel of "rapidity".
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i personally was looking forward to a V, im done with these inlines...
hopefully we get fat turbos and more litres tho!
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It's 2014, my bad. And no, it's 6's. There was much talk of 4's but I believe that Bernie nixed it due to the crappy sound it would make:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_engines#2014

At least that's where it is today. I try to follow the F1 circus but it's way too time consuming and political. It'll probably change 3x when they resign the concorde agreement, etc.

Regardless, downsizing and turbos are coming, and soon.
First of all, if you want to be taken seriously, please don't use wikipedia as your only source of information.

Second, the reason why F1 backtracked from the turbo 4 cylinder engines was due to pressure from the manufacturers (read Ferrari), as it wouldn't have any relevance for the development of their road-going cars. The noise coming from the 4 cylinder engine was only a minor factor, as I have no doubt that F1 engineers would've made that thing sing at the 15,000 rpm limit imposed by the FIA for the new engines.

One thing is certain, turbos are here to stay for the foreseeable future regardless if some of us still think a naturally aspirated engine is more enjoyable.

IMO, more important than turbo/NA engines, would be the the availability of a manual transmission for many years to come, as the very efficient and rapid double clutch units of today are slowly but surely pushing the old stick into retirement. It's happened already at Ferrari, and if rumors are to be believed, it's going to happen at Porsche very soon (the new GT3 is being rumored to have the PDK as the only available transmission).

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I don't think BMW has the technology right now for fuel efficient 400hp engines (on their standards) for use in non-M cars. That's why they go hybrid. They will add the power via electric engines.
Maybe not 400hp, but that is the rumor. Keep in mind that there are very fuel efficient 2.0L I4 engines from a number of manufacturers that can hit 133hp/L. There's no reason an I6 could not do the same.

Hybrids are neat but they add appreciable weight. Not good.

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I am very curious if BMW uses Valvetronic on their next M3.
I think that all future BMW engines will use Valvetronic. The N13, N20, N55, N63tu, S63tu and N74 all do.
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Decent post, but a couple things:
  • The engines BMW has developed in the last ten years offer much, much more power and efficiency than they used to. Heck, the 328 does 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. Bespoke engine development is hideously expensive. BMW only did it because they couldn't get what they needed from the standard engine lineup. Now they can. Why go custom?
  • The R8 starts at $118,000. It's a great car for sure, but it really is a different thing than an M3. It's even a couple years of college tuition more expensive than an M5. I'm not sure the comparison makes sense.
Firstly, BMW currently does not have any engine in the family that can be installed into an M3 that won't make the car loose its credential. It's not just about power and efficiency. It's also the way the power is delivered. Granted, the sound department is gonna take a hit no matter what they do due to FI. Take the S63TU in the F10 M5 for example. While it's a cracking and mighty engine, it would not be a good fit for the M3 due to the lag. If their I6 is something similar but in inline layout and fewer cylinders, then i would be very disappointed. If they give me a tri-turbo to eliminate the lag, i will give it to them. If it's a case of the usual twin turbo, then it's a let-down.

Pricing wise, i suppose it's country specific. Over here in Singapore, the V8 R8 is priced between the M3 and M5, making it a viable option for me.
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Yay!!!!! Way to go BMW!!!!!!

I'd be extremely disappointed if BMW were to use v6 in the ///M3.

Why? Because the boys at Toyota could build an incredible turbo inline6 10 years ago called Supra, then BMW, who's well known for their i6, has got to do it better for their iconic M3.
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