How to Make the Perfect BMW F80 M3, According to Steve Sutcliffe

Jason · 11-23-2012, 06:21 PM

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How to Make the Perfect BMW F80 M3, According to Steve Sutcliffe

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A new BMW M3 will arrive in 2014, but what should it be like? Steve Sutcliffe puts three of its predecessors through their paces at Brands Hatch to find the perfect ingredients.

bimmerjph · 11-23-2012, 06:56 PM

I really like Steve Sutcliffe. Chris Harris and him both have a sense of honesty in their reviews that few in the industry have.

boarchicken · 11-23-2012, 07:02 PM

Now I want an e46 m3 csl

htoudiee · 11-23-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by boarchicken

Now I want an e46 m3 csl

+1

jhv · 11-23-2012, 07:19 PM

hehe http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13040016

Blindside_137 · 11-23-2012, 07:20 PM

soooooo.... make an e46 csl...... but with dct

gary88 · 11-23-2012, 07:21 PM

CSL is easily one of my favorite cars of all time.

bimmerjph · 11-23-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gary88

CSL is easily one of my favorite cars of all time.

Yeah, me too. I guarantee you it will be the most imported car in 2029.

PhillyNate · 11-23-2012, 08:10 PM

I'm hoping this next gen car is fantastic and tradition is continued. IMO there are just too many variables against it that have been mentioned ad nauseum in this forum.

Adriansideways · 11-23-2012, 08:20 PM

Agree just the weight agree +1 +1 please!!!!!!

TheBingoBalls · 11-23-2012, 08:24 PM

It'll never be as hardcore as the E46 M3/CSL. Back then BMW didn't really cater to luxury, today, BMW has expanded into that market which requires a soft ride. The chassis might be the best but things like suspension and steering, it'll always have that hint of trying to cater to those that want a softer ride. It's not exactly an apples/apples comparison but take the M5 and it's hydraulic steering. It was supposed to feel the same as others that used the same system but BMW toned it down a bit. I feel it's exactly going to happen to the M3 as well.

navarrojiii · 11-23-2012, 08:28 PM

Where's the e36 lol?!

PlannBee · 11-23-2012, 08:52 PM

No love for the e36? =(

dreamspeed · 11-23-2012, 09:07 PM

The problem is the ever increasing regulations for safety, mpg, etc. the use of CF, aluminum and high strength steel can all but try and stem the ever growing weight issue. Imagine if these types of material was available back in the days?

MSteve5036 · 11-23-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamspeed

The problem is the ever increasing regulations for safety, mpg, etc. the use of CF, aluminum and high strength steel can all but try and stem the ever growing weight issue. Imagine if these types of material was available back in the days?

Hell Yes! That would be awesome if a company would start making older cars with new technology. full CF e30 M3. e36 with a CF roof. brb...gonna go fap

LemonOne · 11-23-2012, 09:34 PM

omg, miss my old e46 M3s (two of them) so much!!
One of my biggest mistakes in my life, selling an e46 M3 for a Corvette.

Eric335 · 11-23-2012, 10:09 PM

Wish i bought an E46.... I was in the market for an E46 M3/335i and chose the latter. Damn turbos.

mPlasticDesign · 11-23-2012, 10:33 PM

Sounds like he is pretty much describing the 1M.

rjd598 · 11-23-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by boarchicken

Now I want an e46 m3 csl

i want the e30 even more now. surprised the e36 wasn't even mentioned almost disrespectful regardless of how well it performs compared to the other generations

blackshan · 11-24-2012, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric335

Wish i bought an E46.... I was in the market for an E46 M3/335i and chose the latter. Damn turbos.

+1

DOCTOR 3VIL · 11-24-2012, 12:09 AM

That's why I'm never selling my E46 M3. To me it's the best one yet

clar · 11-24-2012, 12:40 AM

Not sure what goes on back in BMW, but they don't seem to have a philosophy when it comes to certain attributes in their cars. They have been fiddling with steering feel/response pretty much with every new chassis. Don't they like find a much loved setting and stick to it till the end of time instead of messing around with a new setting each and every time? The MK1 E46 got soft and they remedied the fault in the LCI. They seem to be doing this an awful lot. Why are they taking away steering feel and feedback from their cars? Becos dumb ass soccer mums or grannies get nervous with a feel-some steering? Get your priorities right for goodness sake!!! I cannot fathom why anybody would hate a good steering feel from a base 1 series to their flag ship 7 series?? If it ain't broken, please don't fix it. Now can we have the CSL steering feel back (if not the E30) in the next M3, thank you...

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dreamspeed Lieutenant Colonel 107 Rep 1,517 Posts Drives: 6MT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0)	The problem is the ever increasing regulations for safety, mpg, etc. the use of CF, aluminum and high strength steel can all but try and stem the ever growing weight issue. Imagine if these types of material was available back in the days? __________________
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clar Major 101 Rep 1,440 Posts Drives: M5 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Singapore iTrader: (0)	Not sure what goes on back in BMW, but they don't seem to have a philosophy when it comes to certain attributes in their cars. They have been fiddling with steering feel/response pretty much with every new chassis. Don't they like find a much loved setting and stick to it till the end of time instead of messing around with a new setting each and every time? The MK1 E46 got soft and they remedied the fault in the LCI. They seem to be doing this an awful lot. Why are they taking away steering feel and feedback from their cars? Becos dumb ass soccer mums or grannies get nervous with a feel-some steering? Get your priorities right for goodness sake!!! I cannot fathom why anybody would hate a good steering feel from a base 1 series to their flag ship 7 series?? If it ain't broken, please don't fix it. Now can we have the CSL steering feel back (if not the E30) in the next M3, thank you... __________________ - Frozen Grey F10 M5 DCT - Rosso Corsa 458 Speciale Sold - Frozen Grey E92 M3 Sold
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