How to Make the Perfect BMW F80 M3, According to Steve Sutcliffe

Jason · 11-23-2012, 05:21 PM

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A new BMW M3 will arrive in 2014, but what should it be like? Steve Sutcliffe puts three of its predecessors through their paces at Brands Hatch to find the perfect ingredients.

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bimmerjph · 11-23-2012, 05:56 PM

I really like Steve Sutcliffe. Chris Harris and him both have a sense of honesty in their reviews that few in the industry have.

boarchicken · 11-23-2012, 06:02 PM

Now I want an e46 m3 csl

htoudiee · 11-23-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by boarchicken

Now I want an e46 m3 csl

+1

jhv · 11-23-2012, 06:19 PM

hehe http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13040016

Blindside_137 · 11-23-2012, 06:20 PM

soooooo.... make an e46 csl...... but with dct

gary88 · 11-23-2012, 06:21 PM

CSL is easily one of my favorite cars of all time.

bimmerjph · 11-23-2012, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gary88

CSL is easily one of my favorite cars of all time.

Yeah, me too. I guarantee you it will be the most imported car in 2029.

PhillyNate · 11-23-2012, 07:10 PM

I'm hoping this next gen car is fantastic and tradition is continued. IMO there are just too many variables against it that have been mentioned ad nauseum in this forum.

Adriansideways · 11-23-2012, 07:20 PM

Agree just the weight agree +1 +1 please!!!!!!

TheBingoBalls · 11-23-2012, 07:24 PM

It'll never be as hardcore as the E46 M3/CSL. Back then BMW didn't really cater to luxury, today, BMW has expanded into that market which requires a soft ride. The chassis might be the best but things like suspension and steering, it'll always have that hint of trying to cater to those that want a softer ride. It's not exactly an apples/apples comparison but take the M5 and it's hydraulic steering. It was supposed to feel the same as others that used the same system but BMW toned it down a bit. I feel it's exactly going to happen to the M3 as well.

navarrojiii · 11-23-2012, 07:28 PM

Where's the e36 lol?!

PlannBee · 11-23-2012, 07:52 PM

No love for the e36? =(

dreamspeed · 11-23-2012, 08:07 PM

The problem is the ever increasing regulations for safety, mpg, etc. the use of CF, aluminum and high strength steel can all but try and stem the ever growing weight issue. Imagine if these types of material was available back in the days?

MSteve5036 · 11-23-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamspeed

The problem is the ever increasing regulations for safety, mpg, etc. the use of CF, aluminum and high strength steel can all but try and stem the ever growing weight issue. Imagine if these types of material was available back in the days?

Hell Yes! That would be awesome if a company would start making older cars with new technology. full CF e30 M3. e36 with a CF roof. brb...gonna go fap

Lemon Jelly M3 · 11-23-2012, 08:34 PM

omg, miss my old e46 M3s (two of them) so much!!
One of my biggest mistakes in my life, selling an e46 M3 for a Corvette.

Eric335 · 11-23-2012, 09:09 PM

Wish i bought an E46.... I was in the market for an E46 M3/335i and chose the latter. Damn turbos.

Mr.Metak2you · 11-23-2012, 09:33 PM

Sounds like he is pretty much describing the 1M.

rjd598 · 11-23-2012, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by boarchicken

Now I want an e46 m3 csl

i want the e30 even more now. surprised the e36 wasn't even mentioned almost disrespectful regardless of how well it performs compared to the other generations

blackshan · 11-23-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric335

Wish i bought an E46.... I was in the market for an E46 M3/335i and chose the latter. Damn turbos.

+1

DOCTOR 3VIL · 11-23-2012, 11:09 PM

That's why I'm never selling my E46 M3. To me it's the best one yet

clar · 11-23-2012, 11:40 PM

Not sure what goes on back in BMW, but they don't seem to have a philosophy when it comes to certain attributes in their cars. They have been fiddling with steering feel/response pretty much with every new chassis. Don't they like find a much loved setting and stick to it till the end of time instead of messing around with a new setting each and every time? The MK1 E46 got soft and they remedied the fault in the LCI. They seem to be doing this an awful lot. Why are they taking away steering feel and feedback from their cars? Becos dumb ass soccer mums or grannies get nervous with a feel-some steering? Get your priorities right for goodness sake!!! I cannot fathom why anybody would hate a good steering feel from a base 1 series to their flag ship 7 series?? If it ain't broken, please don't fix it. Now can we have the CSL steering feel back (if not the E30) in the next M3, thank you...

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PhillyNate BMWCCA #405750 Drives: 2011 E92 M3 ZCP Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 1,985 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 Toyota GT-86 [0.00]	I'm hoping this next gen car is fantastic and tradition is continued. IMO there are just too many variables against it that have been mentioned ad nauseum in this forum. __________________ "what I'm driving here...is an ending." Jeremy Clarkson 2011 Alpine White BMW M3 6mt ZCP Coupe (reluctantly sold 06/06/14) 2008 Alpine White BMW 328i 6mt Coupe (retired 06/21/11)
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bimmerjph Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 2002 BMW 325i Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,947 iTrader: (0)	I really like Steve Sutcliffe. Chris Harris and him both have a sense of honesty in their reviews that few in the industry have.
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boarchicken Private Drives: currently g35 2008 sedan Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Glendale Posts: 74 iTrader: (0)	Now I want an e46 m3 csl
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Adriansideways Private First Class Drives: 2008 E90 M3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Pretoria Posts: 154 iTrader: (0)	Agree just the weight agree +1 +1 please!!!!!!
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TheBingoBalls Lieutenant Colonel Drives: E90 325i, R56 MINI Cooper Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,671 iTrader: (1)	It'll never be as hardcore as the E46 M3/CSL. Back then BMW didn't really cater to luxury, today, BMW has expanded into that market which requires a soft ride. The chassis might be the best but things like suspension and steering, it'll always have that hint of trying to cater to those that want a softer ride. It's not exactly an apples/apples comparison but take the M5 and it's hydraulic steering. It was supposed to feel the same as others that used the same system but BMW toned it down a bit. I feel it's exactly going to happen to the M3 as well.
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navarrojiii Enlisted Member Drives: 2011.75 e92 AW M3 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 42 iTrader: (0)	Where's the e36 lol?!
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dreamspeed Captain Drives: 6MT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 991 iTrader: (0)	The problem is the ever increasing regulations for safety, mpg, etc. the use of CF, aluminum and high strength steel can all but try and stem the ever growing weight issue. Imagine if these types of material was available back in the days? __________________
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Lemon Jelly M3 Lieutenant Drives: M3 (E90,ZCP,6MT) Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Coast Posts: 477 iTrader: (0)	omg, miss my old e46 M3s (two of them) so much!! One of my biggest mistakes in my life, selling an e46 M3 for a Corvette.
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Eric335 Colonel Drives: 2007 E92 SG 335i 6MT Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: SW Florida Posts: 2,494 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 BMW 335i [3.83]	Wish i bought an E46.... I was in the market for an E46 M3/335i and chose the latter. Damn turbos. __________________
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Mr.Metak2you Brigadier General Drives: LEXUS LS(DailyDriver) Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Astral Projecting: ∞ 23.516 -122 02.625 0242.101 ĕv'rē-hwâr' Posts: 4,738 iTrader: (15) Garage List 2013 BMW M3 [5.00] 2011 1M Coupe (Sold) [4.30] 2008 E90 M3 (Sold) [4.30] 2007 Z4 Mcpe (Sold) [5.00] 2005 BMW M3 (Sold) [5.00]	Sounds like he is pretty much describing the 1M. __________________ Last edited by Mr.Metak2you; 11-23-2012 at 10:26 PM. Reason: Spelling
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DOCTOR 3VIL Private First Class Drives: E46 M3 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: LA Posts: 158 iTrader: (0)	That's why I'm never selling my E46 M3. To me it's the best one yet
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clar Captain Drives: M5 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 846 iTrader: (0)	Not sure what goes on back in BMW, but they don't seem to have a philosophy when it comes to certain attributes in their cars. They have been fiddling with steering feel/response pretty much with every new chassis. Don't they like find a much loved setting and stick to it till the end of time instead of messing around with a new setting each and every time? The MK1 E46 got soft and they remedied the fault in the LCI. They seem to be doing this an awful lot. Why are they taking away steering feel and feedback from their cars? Becos dumb ass soccer mums or grannies get nervous with a feel-some steering? Get your priorities right for goodness sake!!! I cannot fathom why anybody would hate a good steering feel from a base 1 series to their flag ship 7 series?? If it ain't broken, please don't fix it. Now can we have the CSL steering feel back (if not the E30) in the next M3, thank you... __________________ Current Rides: Frozen Grey F10 M5 DCT - Frozen Grey E92 M3 Sold - 458 Speciale on order. ETA Oct 2014
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