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      01-30-2013, 04:29 PM   #45
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I wouldn't be too disappointed in the power output being near identical to the S65 folks. The usable torque band on this car is going to make it a monster at highway acceleration without downshifting. Not to mention a right hoot to kick the tail out in.

My estimation : This engine feels like a Corvette LS3, and I'm okay with that!
Especially with E46 M3 target weight!
I can't wait
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I am having a really hard time believing it would only have 415 hp. It would certainly hurt sales and with a 3 liter turbo 450 hp shouldnt be an problem. It would be a lot more desirable. Im gonna beliave the 450 hp rumors in europe instead untill im convinced
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It's bound to be better. They're not that silly.
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Especially with E46 M3 target weight!
I can't wait
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Im disappointed in the power....AMG here I come
Amg always had more power. Should have left a long time ago.
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i'm not so much worried about the hp staying the same if they actually drop 200+ lbs. but how are they going to get to 3400, when the 335i is 3500?
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Amg always had more power. Should have left a long time ago.
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yet time and time again, lesser-powered ///M's have beaten amg's on all tracks, all drivers, all car mags.....
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Since the F30 is already lighter to begin with. I would be surprised if they could shave off 100 lbs max off the F30 335i. The 335i comes in at 3,550 lbs. I know people keep screaming carbon fiber this and that. But honestly it is not going to add up to the weight savings some think. For instance, the current M3's carbon roof only saves 11 lbs over a standard none sunroof M3. Replacing the aluminum hood with a carbon piece would net maybe ~10 lbs. Guess I am being a realist, trying to figure where exactly this massive diet is coming from.
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yet time and time again, lesser-powered ///M's have beaten amg's on all tracks, all drivers, all car mags.....
To be honest that trend is no longer happening. I believe with you 100%, in that past that has been a true statement. But comparos as of late, BMW's have not been taking the win. In some instances they are getting last place. Those comparos just are not posted on the front page of this website.

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My estimation : This engine feels like a Corvette LS3, and I'm okay with that!
I have never driven a turbo engine that felt like an LS3. Now that would be a first.
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I hope they get the cooling system down. My N54 was always great for making eggs at the track between sessions.
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To be honest that trend is no longer happening. I believe with you 100%, in that past that has been a true statement. But comparos as of late, BMW's have not been taking the win. In some instances they are getting last place. Those comparos just are not posted on the front page of this website.
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Some people would rather be ignorant to the truth...
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So much bs speculation lmao, but hey I guess that's why people have forums lol...

I'd be happy to see 415hp/395trq and at the targeted weight. The at would be an absolute beast easily putting down a low 12s pass on the 1/4.

On the other hand it's likely more realistic that hp to wheels will be a little higher than current M3, but that weight will be a max of 100lbs lost.

They'd literally have to make half the cars parts in CF to shave 300lbs. Doors, panels, fenders, hood, roof and trunk. What they should focus on for the future is the frame of the vehicle and making the majority of construction in CF.

Alas, I can't afford a $90k sticker anyways haha. So this is all a dream for me only to be made reality when the car is used and in the market for 3-4yrs.
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      01-30-2013, 05:09 PM   #57
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100lbft torque more!!! Cant wait
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      01-30-2013, 05:23 PM   #58
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Looks interesting.
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Let's be realistic people, BMW is not going to release the next M3/M4 with the same amount of horse power as the current gen.

I'm guessing a minimum of +25hp a long with the torque increase
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      01-30-2013, 05:32 PM   #60
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the turbo engine will yield greater power from tuning. This car will be pack a punch with a "light" tune.

You won't get that from the S65B40
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Last weekend a group of us hit the dyno and someone brought a 1M. With full exhaust and no tune it put down 330s HP and 370 TQ on a low reading dyno, matching all 3 M3s in HP and destroying them in TQ. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same engine in the new M3 which would be disappointing in that we wouldn't see a new engine, but the 1M engine is nothing to cry about.

I guess you've never owned a tuned N54
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i'm not so much worried about the hp staying the same if they actually drop 200+ lbs. but how are they going to get to 3400, when the 335i is 3500?
The platform they will be building the M3/M4 is completely different from the F30/F32. It is the F80/F82 platform. It will be significantly less heavier.
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Since the F30 is already lighter to begin with. I would be surprised if they could shave off 100 lbs max off the F30 335i. The 335i comes in at 3,550 lbs. I know people keep screaming carbon fiber this and that. But honestly it is not going to add up to the weight savings some think. For instance, the current M3's carbon roof only saves 11 lbs over a standard none sunroof M3. Replacing the aluminum hood with a carbon piece would net maybe ~10 lbs. Guess I am being a realist, trying to figure where exactly this massive diet is coming from.
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I was going to say something similar. After DCT, a locking diff, bigger brakes, a stiffer chassis.....I don't see it coming in lighter than a 335i.

Unless the F32 is substantially lighter than the F30, I don't see 3400lbs as being a reality.

Now if they targeted a lighter car to limit any weight gain of a new car, but end up falling a bit short, I'm fine with that.
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Amg always had more power. Should have left a long time ago.
Yep.

BMW's are more than just power.
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And all speculation, but I wouldn't be content with 415bhp either regardless of what you can do with an aftermarket tune.

But I'd still expect something near 450bhp simply to leave room for BMW to offer a lower M variant, whether it be a M1/M2 and not nip on the heels of the M3/M4 in terms of performance.....at least in a straightline.

Another thing to consider is that with a turbo now, maybe this will be a M3 that sees power gains with newer models.

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