415hp S55 Powered F80 M3 / F82 M4 Revealed via BMW VIN?! - Page 4

sensi09 · 01-30-2013, 06:05 PM

And all speculation, but I wouldn't be content with 415bhp either regardless of what you can do with an aftermarket tune.

But I'd still expect something near 450bhp simply to leave room for BMW to offer a lower M variant, whether it be a M1/M2 and not nip on the heels of the M3/M4 in terms of performance.....at least in a straightline.

Another thing to consider is that with a turbo now, maybe this will be a M3 that sees power gains with newer models.

dillbob3124 · 01-30-2013, 06:07 PM

Realistically how would they shave 300 lbs off the f30. Doubting there will be carbon fiber seats and body panels.

HouseMusicRules · 01-30-2013, 06:19 PM

I think this is simple... The motor is underrated by BMW. Similar to the 335i it is advertised with 300hp but is actually around 325-330hp. So I think this new M3 motor will be advertised with ~415hp but will actually produce ~450hp.

Ghetto2315 · 01-30-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 09BlkSapphire

Was wondering when the first e90/e92 M3 owner would chime in with disappointment and start yelling AMG this, Porsche that.

That extra 100 pounds of torque will leave your car behind. Have fun in your AMG

That was my initial reaction as well but mine was more towards the sentiment that the competition is going to blow us away. Granted the current C63 AMG is a pig, but power is around 450 HP and TQ (more with the Perf Pkg). God knows what AMG will do for the new C63 AMG coming soon. The projected 415-HP better be a typo and be around 451-HP, or we're in trouble of losing our crown...

Nang Vann · 01-30-2013, 07:31 PM

Sweet!

Frosty · 01-30-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MI6

So what the heck is 4LZ- Blue Shadow trim???????????

-Bond

I was wondering the same....

swanson · 01-30-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by amdmaxx

Ats-v!

JTO24 · 01-30-2013, 08:00 PM

320 Model Designation, deletion....sooooo is BMW already preparing for the crowd that want to debadge their M4? lol

conradb · 01-30-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkhanna16

Im disappointed in the power....AMG here I come

If HP figures are the only thing that matter to you, then you have no idea how to measure a car's performance.

My 4cyl NA 150HP Formula Ford will run circles around your modded M3 on the track any day.

Hoosiers · 01-30-2013, 08:09 PM

Spin away...spin spin. So only 415hp now? Originally the prediction was around 450, then it was around 430, and as the news is broken we hear "well it's targeting e46 weight". "Targeting" that weight only means they're trying to get it lighter than the current M3, which is necessary as it will be the first time in M history a car's hp isn't raised. "Targeting" 3400, 3500 lbs isn't the same as "approximately" said weight.

The cool-aid drinkers will respond with "but more torque!". Which are the same people that said torque doesn't matter when the S65 V8 was released. This is a disappointment.

///M4 · 01-30-2013, 08:09 PM

I cannot wait for this car to be released.

iceman335 · 01-30-2013, 08:18 PM

Remember my word today: the F30/F32 M3/M4 will be 430-480hp range, no way to be less than 430hp. This doesn't make sense from marketing standpoint.

I will bet $100 it will not be only 415hp.

wilstave · 01-30-2013, 08:19 PM

with increased torque figure and weight savings, this thing will be beastly, and scary fast around a track

alpine92m3 · 01-30-2013, 08:36 PM

Tell us something we don't know

ynotony · 01-30-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoosiers

"Targeting" that weight only means they're trying to get it lighter than the current M3...

Yes, but why would they plan to MISS their target? BMW called their shot pretty late in development, missing the target would be a little embarrassing. Maybe it's just semantics, but I think they could have said they're using the e46 as a benchmark. They chose the word "target" instead.

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Originally Posted by Hoosiers

...which is necessary as it will be the first time in M history a car's hp isn't raised.

This is true, but the e46's 17 hp increase over the (non-neutered) e36 was pretty damn trivial if you ask me.

smellthebeans · 01-30-2013, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mrkhanna16

Im disappointed in the power....AMG here I come

Might as well chop off your left foot & right hand because with an AMG you wont need them.

kmarei · 01-30-2013, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoosiers

Spin away...spin spin. So only 415hp now? Originally the prediction was around 450, then it was around 430, and as the news is broken we hear "well it's targeting e46 weight". "Targeting" that weight only means they're trying to get it lighter than the current M3, which is necessary as it will be the first time in M history a car's hp isn't raised. "Targeting" 3400, 3500 lbs isn't the same as "approximately" said weight.

The cool-aid drinkers will respond with "but more torque!". Which are the same people that said torque doesn't matter when the S65 V8 was released. This is a disappointment.

But it's got turbos!!

And no more 8400rpm red line
I still don't see this as a step forward
It's a lateral step

bimmer Don · 01-30-2013, 09:10 PM

I can see BMW claiming 415hp. BMW know to underrate there turbo motors. I fell it will have around 450 hp and maybe over 400 ft torque. So people shouldn't get all caught up in what BMW rates it.. On there tubro motors there underrate them a lot

bmellion · 01-30-2013, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghetto2315

Quote:

Originally Posted by 09BlkSapphire

Was wondering when the first e90/e92 M3 owner would chime in with disappointment and start yelling AMG this, Porsche that.

That extra 100 pounds of torque will leave your car behind. Have fun in your AMG

That was my initial reaction as well but mine was more towards the sentiment that the competition is going to blow us away. Granted the current C63 AMG is a pig, but power is around 450 HP and TQ (more with the Perf Pkg). God knows what AMG will do for the new C63 AMG coming soon. The projected 415-HP better be a typo and be around 451-HP, or we're in trouble of losing our crown...

The C63 is a pig? Chris Harris doesn't think so, and I hold him in high regards...

malter2.0 · 01-30-2013, 09:32 PM

it will be weight reduction like they said f30 would be over e90. in other words you might see 50lb or less. dont get your hopes high.

on the other hand the new s55 will probably be just a fancy n54 with bigger turbo, more carbon build up inducing direction injection, water/air IC and underrated like n54. so 415 will probably put down 400whp.

garbage in garbage out. should have stick with n/a and keep turbo mumbo jumbo for 335.

Legion5 · 01-30-2013, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 09BlkSapphire

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrkhanna16

Im disappointed in the power....AMG here I come

Was wondering when the first e90/e92 M3 owner would chime in with disappointment and start yelling AMG this, Porsche that.

That extra 100 pounds of torque will leave your car behind. Have fun in your AMG

Agreed power isn't everything Formula Atlantic cars make 200 hp but have more than 4 times the performance of an M3. Which is a lot considering the difference between most sports cars is measured single digit percentages.

The new M3 will be at least 5-10% faster than the current C63 AMG in every dimension based on these figures. And that's with 415 hp which they are saying is underrated.

tmurphy2 · 01-30-2013, 09:45 PM

Current M3 takes a 20k supercharger to get real gains. I think this motor with 415 bhp plus 20k would be insane.

01-30-2013, 06:05 PM	#67
sensi09 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: . Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: socal Posts: 1,504 iTrader: (1)	And all speculation, but I wouldn't be content with 415bhp either regardless of what you can do with an aftermarket tune. But I'd still expect something near 450bhp simply to leave room for BMW to offer a lower M variant, whether it be a M1/M2 and not nip on the heels of the M3/M4 in terms of performance.....at least in a straightline. Another thing to consider is that with a turbo now, maybe this will be a M3 that sees power gains with newer models. Last edited by sensi09; 01-31-2013 at 08:08 PM.

01-30-2013, 07:31 PM	#71
Nang Vann Major Drives: E46 M3, R35 GT-R Join Date: May 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 1,076 iTrader: (0)	Sweet! __________________ Moving on up!

01-30-2013, 08:00 PM	#74
JTO24 Paneristi Drives: 2013 E92 M3 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Jersey Posts: 237 iTrader: (0)	320 Model Designation, deletion....sooooo is BMW already preparing for the crowd that want to debadge their M4? lol __________________ CURRENT: 2013 E92 M3 6MT \| Mineral White \| Fox Red/Black/Black \| Carbon Leather \| CF Roof \| Nav \| Heated Seats \| Black Kidneys \| Sirius \| BMW Apps SOLD: 2013 S4 Phantom Black Pearl 6MT \| 2007 E92 335i Jet Black 6AT

01-30-2013, 08:18 PM	#78
iceman335 Private First Class Drives: 2012 F25 X3 xDrive35i M-Sport Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 145 iTrader: (0)	Remember my word today: the F30/F32 M3/M4 will be 430-480hp range, no way to be less than 430hp. This doesn't make sense from marketing standpoint. I will bet $100 it will not be only 415hp. Last edited by iceman335; 01-30-2013 at 08:25 PM.

01-30-2013, 09:32 PM	#86
malter2.0 BMW Aficionado Drives: '00 E39 M5 -150k and counting Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 869 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2000 E39 M5 - current [0.00] 2007 E92 335i - SOLD [0.00] 1996 E36 M3-SOLD [0.00] 2000 E39 M5-SOLD [0.00] 2001 E46 M3-SOLD [0.00] 1995 E36 M3-SOLD [0.00]	it will be weight reduction like they said f30 would be over e90. in other words you might see 50lb or less. dont get your hopes high. on the other hand the new s55 will probably be just a fancy n54 with bigger turbo, more carbon build up inducing direction injection, water/air IC and underrated like n54. so 415 will probably put down 400whp. garbage in garbage out. should have stick with n/a and keep turbo mumbo jumbo for 335. __________________ '00 M5, 151k

01-30-2013, 06:07 PM	#68
dillbob3124 New Member Drives: 330ci Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 27 iTrader: (0)	Realistically how would they shave 300 lbs off the f30. Doubting there will be carbon fiber seats and body panels.

01-30-2013, 06:19 PM	#69
HouseMusicRules Private Drives: '13 335i M-Sport 6MT RWD EBII Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 79 iTrader: (0)	I think this is simple... The motor is underrated by BMW. Similar to the 335i it is advertised with 300hp but is actually around 325-330hp. So I think this new M3 motor will be advertised with ~415hp but will actually produce ~450hp.

01-30-2013, 08:09 PM	#76
Hoosiers Private Drives: 2008 M3 Coupe White Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: NC Posts: 85 iTrader: (0)	Spin away...spin spin. So only 415hp now? Originally the prediction was around 450, then it was around 430, and as the news is broken we hear "well it's targeting e46 weight". "Targeting" that weight only means they're trying to get it lighter than the current M3, which is necessary as it will be the first time in M history a car's hp isn't raised. "Targeting" 3400, 3500 lbs isn't the same as "approximately" said weight. The cool-aid drinkers will respond with "but more torque!". Which are the same people that said torque doesn't matter when the S65 V8 was released. This is a disappointment.

01-30-2013, 08:09 PM	#77
///M4 New Member Drives: M4 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: SoCal Posts: 15 iTrader: (0)	I cannot wait for this car to be released.

01-30-2013, 08:19 PM	#79
wilstave Legend Drives: 2011 Le Mans Blue 335is Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 131 iTrader: (0)	with increased torque figure and weight savings, this thing will be beastly, and scary fast around a track

01-30-2013, 08:36 PM	#80
alpine92m3 if you want peace,prepare for war Drives: alpine white.. Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: pa Posts: 211 iTrader: (0)	Tell us something we don't know

01-30-2013, 09:10 PM	#84
bimmer Don Enlisted Member Drives: 2012 135i m sport Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: san berdardino Posts: 43 iTrader: (0)	I can see BMW claiming 415hp. BMW know to underrate there turbo motors. I fell it will have around 450 hp and maybe over 400 ft torque. So people shouldn't get all caught up in what BMW rates it.. On there tubro motors there underrate them a lot

01-30-2013, 09:45 PM	#88
tmurphy2 Second Lieutenant Drives: e92 335i Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Hartford, CT Posts: 232 iTrader: (0)	Current M3 takes a 20k supercharger to get real gains. I think this motor with 415 bhp plus 20k would be insane. __________________ e92 335i sport[/b] 2 GO: Cobb AP Stg 2+, Macht Schnell DPs, Injen intake, Spearco FMIC, Velocity throttle booster, DBA 4000xs rotors, Vibrant Performance catback, Synapse BOV & charge pipe, Hancook V12 EVOs 4 SHOW: DCT paddles, cusco strut, piano black trim, Mtech bumper, aero lip, 19" Miro 111's, angel eye, black: window trim, side mark, kidneys

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