415hp S55 Powered F80 M3 / F82 M4 Revealed via BMW VIN?!

[Jblack4083]

Originally Posted by heavystarch

I'd love to see 300lb weight savings - that would be incredible right there.
I'm trying to envision where they come up with weight savings that substantial.


- M4 will get a CF roof.

- CF Boot/trunk lid will be left to the aftermarket.

- CFRP Bonnet/hood - that's a BIG MAYBE - but again more likely left to the aftermarket.

- CF Front Seats *MIGHT* be an option like those seen in the E90 M3 CRT.

- Haven't we seen a test mule with Carbon/Ceramic/Composite brakes? There is some good weight savings (unsprung to boot) but most certainly an OPTION.

- I know that BMW had implemented a forging/heating/cooling process that allows body panels to be thinner without sacrificing strength. If I remember correctly they were able to shave 20% of the panel weight for those panels. (It's been a while since I watched that BMW tech video)

So maybe with the above options, and a new chassis design focused on further weight reduction they actually could achieve such a weight reduction.

My best guess is they end up in the 3550lb range. With 415Hp/395lbtq and a nice weight reduction this should be a pretty killer car. 415Hp seems a low figure - I bet at release they do something like 440Hp or 450Hp. No matter what I'm still very excited to see what they come up with. The M-engineers absolutely know how critical it is to develop and deliver a killer M4.

I have to disagree with you on a few points.

1. The F80 M3 was already spotted testing with carbon ceramic brakes: http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=792406
2. My guess is that we will see a bigger use of CFRP

Some things that you want to keep in mind:

BMW has at least a 15% sake in SGL Carbon, a company that specializes in Carbon Fiber technologies. BMW and SGL have a joint venture together. BMW and SGL have opened a plant here in the United States for the production of Carbon Fibers. BMW has committed to large scale production of the material. I doubt they would do so without a business case. The Fibers produced in the US will go on to be a part of CFRP components in the Germany plant.

It's highly possible that the M3/M4 may never see any of this extra CFRP due to the production of the i3 and i8 which require large amounts for their passenger cells as well as body panels. Maybe it's EQUALLY as possible that a small amount might be allocated to M3/M4 hood and decklid?

[zenderm3]

Originally Posted by M3Denver

I'd rather have both 450 and 300 lb lighter.... Aaand throw in 8300 rpm
Now that sounds more fun.

And maybe make it a NA V8 Frankly.. makes the decision tough to move from the current model for me (because as much as the specs are good, they aren't great and won't make a massive difference when driving on Roads... how many of us really Drag Hondas off at every set of lights....)

On the flip side, I am very interested to see how this looks... keen to perhaps own the M3 and keep her older sister the E92 M3 in the garage!

[Ka razy]

I've just read all these posts...
And I Love their motorcycles and cars.
I sincerely hope the new M4 has numbers that can compete with the rest of the manufacturers today.
I now have a poster of the new C7 Stingray hanging in my man cave surrounded by numerous BMW motorcycle rally shirts.
BMW ///M... I hope your reading these rants and hopes. Competitive numbers along with good track manners will earn my jing.

[Green///Hell]

Originally Posted by 3s-a-charm

Code 1CA - it's an M4 Cop car LOL.

Oh god I wouldn't know how to control my bladder if I saw M4 Police lights in my mirrors!

[krnnerdboy]

Having gone from z4m(3200 lbs)to e63 m6(3950lbs)in search for more power, I realized that I enjoyed less weight over more power. The m3 is taking a step in the right direction.

[cartaa100]

great find, and photos!

[bmellion]

Originally Posted by Ghetto2315

Yes, I said pig. Oink Oink. I hold Mr. Harris in high regards as well, but that does not take away from the fact that the C63 weighs a LOT. The reason why it performs the way it does is because of the nuclear missile underneath the hood. I was an AMG Specialist for Mercedes-Benz for 5-years so I'm well aware of the weight the the car. My previous comment in calling it a Pig was in comparison to our M3's.

Excellent. And I've owned both cars at the same time and would take the C63 over the M3 in an everyday driving scenario all day long. Not even comparable cars. Great name btw...ghetto...lol.

[TheDeliverator]

I'll be comparing the new m3/m4 with the m2. Not just the numbers but the total package.

The next year or so is going to be very interesting. Handling, Weight and Powaaah all matter to me.

My excitement level for my pending choices follows:

1. The M2:
Saw a ton of 1M's at the Nurburgring in September and (as we all know), they are fun 'lil beasts. Looking forward to see how the M2 moves the platform forward.

2. Keeping my E92 M3:
She's still brand new and (as every owner has said a million times), the V8 + handling combo is great. Is it my old Rx-7 weight wise? No, but she hides her weight better then detractors will admit.

3. The M3/M4:
Kinda reminds me of the E36 M3. The best analogy? No, but... it's just a feeling I have. BMW has said they need to hit it out of the park with this car. If they do, I'm on board.

I'll have an exiting time figuring it all out with the rest of y'all.

[vexx786]

Is there a reason they are using f80 for the sedan rather than f30?

[Holander]

Originally Posted by vexx786

Is there a reason they are using f80 for the sedan rather than f30?

So differend cars?

And weight, F30 have steel sub-frame and F30 rear suspension is all steel. Change material on aluminium potential weigth save 20-kg? It´s not enought, F80 still share same basic frame? whit F30 and it´s weigth is 1620kg. I think only choice to make e46 target weight is use lots carbonfiber. Maybe there is little suprise hope so.., i3 and i8 are coming 2013 and they got full carbonfiber body and Bmw may learn lots to make cf panels economically.

[red-sauerkraut]

For 2014 it's called the Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Edition 507
It has proper brakes too.
Nicely done by MB.

Originally Posted by mrkhanna16

Im disappointed in the power....AMG here I come

[vladberca]

For sure BMW will release an awesome machine and they'll respect the tradition of "King of the 'ring" in its class

[SCOTT26]

Does it matter if the M3 is eclipsed in the power stakes by an older competitor? to some that would ring true especially if there reason is just to have something pretty on the driveway to show off that they have the BMW M3. The iconic , admired performance car . of course I am not mocking the driveway M3 owners that is progress and if it was the E30 today it would still be the same.

To understand why the M3 is iconic then you have to look at the expertise in chassis engineering and dynamics development it is intensive it is unique to that car and of course that statement that the basis car has to be exceptional. BMW makes sure that happens , an M3 is more than just a package with sporting aerodynamics an M3 is all about that synergy between track and road just because your car is tested around the Ring does it mean your car is tailored for the Ring.

The M3's legacy lies within and that is where the car is born from, how do you make a great car even better and that justifies BMW M. Performance is more than just Performance. Precision is more than dynamics and Passion is more than a marketing meeting to justify a cause.
Every M3 is iconic and original the goal is to beat the previous model not a competitor as the benchmark for an M3 is an M3 or in this case , the M4 will stress to develop a new icon for BMW M.

BMW M know that each M3 must have that purely kinetic symphony and the most realistic synergy between road and the track that is why the M3 remains iconic , original and undefeated because everybody involved with this project know it has to be right, and as I said the imitators just get it wrong because they are too busy trying to best the M3 they fail to understand its legacy.
Which judging from the remarks in this thread some still continue to doubt.
An M3 has a legacy because it embodies progression why don't you wait and see before you judge.

[sycd]

Shedding weight is nice but I'm not sure if they'll pull off saving hundreds of pounds. I don't like the trend to bigger cars in general, and the E92 is already big as it is. Going M2 would be tempting from that point of view, but then I would have problems dealing with the shitty 1 series-like interior.

Then there is the engine, turbo I6, you mean like all these bmw's on the road? nothing special about that, shame if they get rid of the V8.

The M3 was the perfect sweet spot, too bad they are screwing it up.

[Cl0ud7]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Does it matter if the M3 is eclipsed in the power stakes by an older competitor? to some that would ring true especially if there reason is just to have something pretty on the driveway to show off that they have the BMW M3. The iconic , admired performance car . of course I am not mocking the driveway M3 owners that is progress and if it was the E30 today it would still be the same.

To understand why the M3 is iconic then you have to look at the expertise in chassis engineering and dynamics development it is intensive it is unique to that car and of course that statement that the basis car has to be exceptional. BMW makes sure that happens , an M3 is more than just a package with sporting aerodynamics an M3 is all about that synergy between track and road just because your car is tested around the Ring does it mean your car is tailored for the Ring.

The M3's legacy lies within and that is where the car is born from, how do you make a great car even better and that justifies BMW M. Performance is more than just Performance. Precision is more than dynamics and Passion is more than a marketing meeting to justify a cause.
Every M3 is iconic and original the goal is to beat the previous model not a competitor as the benchmark for an M3 is an M3 or in this case , the M4 will stress to develop a new icon for BMW M.

BMW M know that each M3 must have that purely kinetic symphony and the most realistic synergy between road and the track that is why the M3 remains iconic , original and undefeated because everybody involved with this project know it has to be right, and as I said the imitators just get it wrong because they are too busy trying to best the M3 they fail to understand its legacy.
Which judging from the remarks in this thread some still continue to doubt.
An M3 has a legacy because it embodies progression why don't you wait and see before you judge.

I find it ironic that someone from ///marketing is blabbering about "iconic" this and "legacy" that when they're ready to butcher the ///M3 name for the sake of exclusivity and a bigger paycheck...

Also, Unless ///M has a trick underneath their sleeve with the new chassis (f80/f82), I don't see them saving 300lbs. Especially considering they already confirmed that the only CFRP that will be used is on the roof and the first BMW production vehicle to make use of the CFRP will be the new 7series.

[ScarecrowBoat]

Originally Posted by sparkyg

Cant wait for "Limp mode" stories from future M3 owners.

I see a disaster coming once summer comes and guys start driving the car hard. BMW needs to do warm weather testing first. Fck if it fails in the heat who cares about cold.

The US is the highest consumers of M3's and prob the most are in Cali. Cold is not an issue here.

I am gonna wait and see and hold onto my E90 M3.

Boy I sure hope that BMW engineers read your post. Otherwise how could they possibly know to even test the car in a climate other than Bavaria?

[ScarecrowBoat]

Originally Posted by sycd

Shedding weight is nice but I'm not sure if they'll pull off saving hundreds of pounds. I don't like the trend to bigger cars in general, and the E92 is already big as it is. Going M2 would be tempting from that point of view, but then I would have problems dealing with the shitty 1 series-like interior.

Then there is the engine, turbo I6, you mean like all these bmw's on the road? nothing special about that, shame if they get rid of the V8.

The M3 was the perfect sweet spot, too bad they are screwing it up.

[KORALLROT]

Originally Posted by Jason

415hp S55 Powered F80 M3 / F82 M4 Revealed ...

Ok you guys, come here for a group shrug.

[KORALLROT]

I'm sure it will be a "nice car". An addition to the M3 legacy? Not so fast.


Think about it. Modified N55 + 415 HP = Modestly better than a tuned F30 335i with a body kit


Anyone here peeing their pants for this M3?

[Vintage]

just buy the new corvette????

[bimmerjph]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Does it matter if the M3 is eclipsed in the power stakes by an older competitor? to some that would ring true especially if there reason is just to have something pretty on the driveway to show off that they have the BMW M3. The iconic , admired performance car . of course I am not mocking the driveway M3 owners that is progress and if it was the E30 today it would still be the same.

To understand why the M3 is iconic then you have to look at the expertise in chassis engineering and dynamics development it is intensive it is unique to that car and of course that statement that the basis car has to be exceptional. BMW makes sure that happens , an M3 is more than just a package with sporting aerodynamics an M3 is all about that synergy between track and road just because your car is tested around the Ring does it mean your car is tailored for the Ring.

The M3's legacy lies within and that is where the car is born from, how do you make a great car even better and that justifies BMW M. Performance is more than just Performance. Precision is more than dynamics and Passion is more than a marketing meeting to justify a cause.
Every M3 is iconic and original the goal is to beat the previous model not a competitor as the benchmark for an M3 is an M3 or in this case , the M4 will stress to develop a new icon for BMW M.

BMW M know that each M3 must have that purely kinetic symphony and the most realistic synergy between road and the track that is why the M3 remains iconic , original and undefeated because everybody involved with this project know it has to be right, and as I said the imitators just get it wrong because they are too busy trying to best the M3 they fail to understand its legacy.
Which judging from the remarks in this thread some still continue to doubt.
An M3 has a legacy because it embodies progression why don't you wait and see before you judge.

Is the S55 going to have a higher redline than the standard N55? I am hoping for 7.5k rpm.

[sparkyg]

Originally Posted by ScarecrowBoat

Boy I sure hope that BMW engineers read your post. Otherwise how could they possibly know to even test the car in a climate other than Bavaria?

My point is that turbo engines inherently have high heat loads and are much more sensitive to heat.

I had an N54 and even in hot days in Canada she was blazing. I added the huge Dinan oil cooler and it still was hot.

BMW now is going to extract the most power they ever had out of that poor 3.0l I6. It is a risky recipe. I wish they had a better idea than an S55.

M3 drivers are not M5 drivers, its a totally diff crowd.