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      02-27-2013, 01:40 PM   #111
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If it menas we can update the maps and software more easily AND, years into the future (I like to keep my cars for ~10 years), I'm all for it.
..you do raise a good point... I keep my cars a long time as well ... but I cherish the "integrated" look of navigation / car interface part of dash and not floating in air...
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Links to either personal impressions or reputable autojournalist tests? I'm interesting in reading something.
I'm too lazy to search.

But here is the undeniable one posted just a few days ago:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=806233
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      02-27-2013, 03:59 PM   #113
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I'm too lazy to search.

But here is the undeniable one posted just a few days ago:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=806233
errrr...that's the LFA, which costs about 7 Gajillion bucks, not the ISF. I know all the letters can be confusing...
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Car looks amazing. I am planning to have a M4 as my next car there are certain things we cannot change, such as product evolution, technology, economy, design, name. Peeps will have to accept or look elsewhere. I'm sure it's going to set the benchmark and raise the standards which other manufacturers will have to follow. Can't wait.
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M4 looks great. Any speculation about price? Fully loaded will go to $85k?
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      02-27-2013, 07:20 PM   #116
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M4 looks great. Any speculation about price? Fully loaded will go to $85k?
Well I just priced out a loaded 2013 E92 M3 on bwmusa.com and it came to $77k and change. That's $60k starting plus $17k in options. So, I'd say the F82 M4 will be every bit of $85k loaded. And, if the carbon-ceramic brake option makes production, probably even more. Base price will likely eclipse $70k now that they will have the M3 to fill the $60k-$70k starting price slot. For those who want every last option (thereby negating all the weight savings of the new chassis, incidentally ), a $90k M4 does not seem unlikely. And that's before we even start talking about the convertible (which of course utterly decimates the weight savings ).
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      02-27-2013, 07:25 PM   #117
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wow i'm drooling cant wait for this beast to come out.
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      02-27-2013, 08:19 PM   #118
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Well I just priced out a loaded 2013 E92 M3 on bwmusa.com and it came to $77k and change. That's $60k starting plus $17k in options. So, I'd say the F82 M4 will be every bit of $85k loaded. And, if the carbon-ceramic brake option makes production, probably even more. Base price will likely eclipse $70k now that they will have the M3 to fill the $60k-$70k starting price slot. For those who want every last option (thereby negating all the weight savings of the new chassis, incidentally ), a $90k M4 does not seem unlikely. And that's before we even start talking about the convertible (which of course utterly decimates the weight savings ).
90k for a two door M3. That's what you're basically saying. That's just nuts - no way I can justify that. And then they make the "affordable" M car in such low numbers that a normal person can't get one.

All this kind of shit does is push me elsewhere....

I'm sure it will be nice but a 90k 3 series? What a joke. And no, my expectations don't change because BMW decided to change the numbering mechanism.
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Well I just priced out a loaded 2013 E92 M3 on bwmusa.com and it came to $77k and change. That's $60k starting plus $17k in options. So, I'd say the F82 M4 will be every bit of $85k loaded. And, if the carbon-ceramic brake option makes production, probably even more. Base price will likely eclipse $70k now that they will have the M3 to fill the $60k-$70k starting price slot. For those who want every last option (thereby negating all the weight savings of the new chassis, incidentally ), a $90k M4 does not seem unlikely. And that's before we even start talking about the convertible (which of course utterly decimates the weight savings ).
Agreed!

I am sure the price will be close to RS5 since M4 will be the closest competitor to it. The whole 4 series badge marketing will somewhat justify higher prices....

I am absolutely planning on ordering the new M4 but if a nicely optioned 2009-2010 CPO'd 911TT comes my way, I would most likely go for the 911 for that price.
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Well I just priced out a loaded 2013 E92 M3 on bwmusa.com and it came to $77k and change. That's $60k starting plus $17k in options. So, I'd say the F82 M4 will be every bit of $85k loaded. And, if the carbon-ceramic brake option makes production, probably even more. Base price will likely eclipse $70k now that they will have the M3 to fill the $60k-$70k starting price slot. For those who want every last option (thereby negating all the weight savings of the new chassis, incidentally ), a $90k M4 does not seem unlikely. And that's before we even start talking about the convertible (which of course utterly decimates the weight savings ).
In Canada we saw a $10k drop in list price for the F10 M5 compared to the E60. The RS5 is presently listed below the E92 M3. So I am hoping that the F82 will be cheaper than the E92 here in Canada.

Wishfull thinking I guess .
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      02-28-2013, 01:15 AM   #121
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Well I just priced out a loaded 2013 E92 M3 on bwmusa.com and it came to $77k and change. That's $60k starting plus $17k in options. So, I'd say the F82 M4 will be every bit of $85k loaded. And, if the carbon-ceramic brake option makes production, probably even more. Base price will likely eclipse $70k now that they will have the M3 to fill the $60k-$70k starting price slot. For those who want every last option (thereby negating all the weight savings of the new chassis, incidentally ), a $90k M4 does not seem unlikely. And that's before we even start talking about the convertible (which of course utterly decimates the weight savings ).
I think you nailed it.

$80k for an M4 is ludicrous. For that amount of money you can get some seriously awesome used metal such as a 997.1 GT3, 997.1 Turbo, 997.2 Carrera S or 4S, CLK63 Black series, Maser Granturismo, or Aston DB9 to name a few.

Anybody spending $80K on a car shouldn't mind paying the maintenance on any of those cars.
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Well I just priced out a loaded 2013 E92 M3 on bwmusa.com and it came to $77k and change. That's $60k starting plus $17k in options. So, I'd say the F82 M4 will be every bit of $85k loaded. And, if the carbon-ceramic brake option makes production, probably even more. Base price will likely eclipse $70k now that they will have the M3 to fill the $60k-$70k starting price slot. For those who want every last option (thereby negating all the weight savings of the new chassis, incidentally ), a $90k M4 does not seem unlikely. And that's before we even start talking about the convertible (which of course utterly decimates the weight savings ).
I think you nailed it.

$80k for an M4 is ludicrous. For that amount of money you can get some seriously awesome used metal such as a 997.1 GT3, 997.1 Turbo, 997.2 Carrera S or 4S, CLK63 Black series, Maser Granturismo, or Aston DB9 to name a few.

Anybody spending $80K on a car shouldn't mind paying the maintenance on any of those cars.
Was just saying this the other day i would put money together and get an gt3
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Guys, I think it is just wrong to compare new and used. You can compare that for you personal choice - do I get this car new or that car used? - but you can't use that as a factor for determining price of new car. 80K seams overpiced to you, but don't compare that with what you can get used, compare it with other new alternatives. At the end the price is, comparatively only, justified.

I might be the one spending 80K for "just" and M4. But that is the only BMW I would buy, an M car. Everything below is "too expensive". Think of a crap 420d that will cost 50K. WTF? For 80K you'd get a Porsche? If I don't have the money to get a Porsche Exclusive, I'm not buying a Porsche. You can't just compare prices of two cars, you have to compare prices of the cars configured as you want them. Then you can see the difference and which is worth.
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Guys, I think it is just wrong to compare new and used. You can compare that for you personal choice - do I get this car new or that car used? - but you can't use that as a factor for determining price of new car. 80K seams overpiced to you, but don't compare that with what you can get used, compare it with other new alternatives. At the end the price is, comparatively only, justified.

I might be the one spending 80K for "just" and M4. But that is the only BMW I would buy, an M car. Everything below is "too expensive". Think of a crap 420d that will cost 50K. WTF? For 80K you'd get a Porsche? If I don't have the money to get a Porsche Exclusive, I'm not buying a Porsche. You can't just compare prices of two cars, you have to compare prices of the cars configured as you want them. Then you can see the difference and which is worth.
I honestly don't see why you wouldn't compare new vs used. Yes, when you buy new you can configure the car exactly as you want, but I'm 100% sure that at that market level I would be able to find something that matches what I want perfectly as well.

For $80K the vast majority of the 997.2 Carreras are certified pre-owned, which extends the warranty to 6 yrs or 100K miles, and for any other you can buy a 3rd party warranty for about $4k if you want to sleep better every night. If you don't have $4k to buy a warranty, you shouldn't be buying an $80K car.

Even though I don't agree with you, I appreciate the fact that, like you, there are a lot of people (my dad included) that are willing to pay the premium to have the satisfaction of buying new. Thanks to this, people like me can keep finding awesome used cars.
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I honestly don't see why you wouldn't compare new vs used. Yes, when you buy new you can configure the car exactly as you want, but I'm 100% sure that at that market level I would be able to find something that matches what I want perfectly as well.

For $80K the vast majority of the 997.2 Carreras are certified pre-owned, which extends the warranty to 6 yrs or 100K miles, and for any other you can buy a 3rd party warranty for about $4k if you want to sleep better every night. If you don't have $4k to buy a warranty, you shouldn't be buying an $80K car.

Even though I don't agree with you, I appreciate the fact that, like you, there are a lot of people (my dad included) that are willing to pay the premium to have the satisfaction of buying new. Thanks to this, people like me can keep finding awesome used cars.
Good Feedback and I agree with you..... And at least in the US, we have some AMAZING used cars.

My local Porsche dealer just sold a well optioned CPO 2008 911TT with 3K miles for $83K. I am sure M4 will turn out to be a nice car but I still would not spend 90K for a M car when I get something very close to new at a discount.

We will also have the very same problem when trying to sell used M4's...... No one is going to buy a used M4 (low miles) for 75-80K when there are 911's sitting out there.
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Very well loaded m3s are easily in the $90s already. To sanity check myself I just jumped over to BMW north Scottsdale and pulled up the m3 in stock list....

I expect to see $100k for a very well loaded model. My m3 was about 80, and I left stuff off I wanted.

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chapman on camelback has a used F10 M5 for 101k... But I'd rather take a p car at that price especially the turbo
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Why is everyone crying over something that isn't even confirmed yet? And how many of you are going to order a fully optioned car anyway?

I know it's the internet but can't we at least wait until the car is launched before we start hating everything about it..
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Looks sexy as hell. Love the integrated trunk spoiler.
first thing I noticed. Like it too.

not a fan of the exhaust tips, but perhaps they will change. Its too early to tell I guess.
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