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      07-22-2013, 11:21 AM   #89
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I just can't imagine the M4 pricing being that far out from the last production base pricing of the M3 coupes. The majority of these cars are not necessarily bought by die hard enthusiasts, and when you get into the 80k+ arena pre-options/packages, there are a number of other alternatives to consider.

I always felt the E9x M3 price (sans the silly options/packages as I always order my M cars bare bones) of ~65k was very fair for the performance you were getting over the E46 M3.
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Seems a bit much, I'd go with a <$5k increase. Starting over $70k makes the C63 seem like a steal. Doesn't it start around $60k? I seem to remember pricing them last year and a fully loaded one was in the $75k range.
The 2014 C63 AMG Edition 507 coupe starts at $72,500 (MSRP) + $925 delivery.
This car appears to be a main competitor for the M4 but I don't think the M4 will start this high. If for no other reason, it just seems like too big a jump from an E92 M3 MSRP base which is $60,100. My guess is that MSRP base will be in the 65-69K range.
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The 2014 C63 AMG Edition 507 coupe starts at $72,500 (MSRP) + $925 delivery.
This car appears to be a main competitor for the M4 but I don't think the M4 will start this high. If for no other reason, it just seems like too big a jump from an E92 M3 MSRP base which is $60,100. My guess is that MSRP base will be in the 65-69K range.
Interesting. I'm looking at the usa website and see the C63 Sedan starting a shade under $60k and the coupe at $62k and change.

You're right though, the 507 package costs almost $10k which would hit the number you mentioned. That would probably be comparable with the M4 comp package. Actually, that probably bests the comp package as it's putting out over 500hp with other goodies. Not sure we should compare that package to the M3/M4 standard package given the regular version still have more HP than the M3 does currently.

For kicks, I built a C63 coupe with every option I found and got over $78k. Add in the 507 and you're looking at just shy of $90k. Sheesh, things got expensive fast.
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I have a hard time believing that the coupe will start with a base price in the 70's, much less the sedan, though I do think it will be close. there's a natural ceiling here as a result of the M5 base price of $90k. also, while the lightweight materials we are expecting to see represent cost increases over the e9x, let's not forget that the engine is almost certainly an area where BMW is saving money vs. the outgoing e9x (which is not to suggest that automotive pricing follows a cost plus pricing model, but rather that I don't think the cost of the new vehicle will be as significant as the price increase will be).

having said that, here are my predictions for U.S. market pricing:

M3 sedan: $65,500 plus destination, or $66,400 roughly
M4 coupe: $69,500 plus destination, or $70,400 roughly

a fully-optioned coupe (including the ceramic brakes) will likely encroach M5 territory (i.e. ~$90k), but I think disciplined buyers will be able to keep the sticker price under $80k without sacrificing too many options. said another way, I think you will be able to get premium pkg, DCT, tech pkg and metallic paint for around $80k. adding any of the following would likely put you over $80k: ZCP, premium wheels or premium sound.

just my thoughts for the record. I'm interested to see how pricing comes in relative to my expectations.
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      07-25-2013, 07:47 PM   #93
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Make sure you post ED pricing as well!

I want to do another European Delivery. Will most likely order through you guys again.
def!! will do. also we have a VERY special surprise for the forum which will be released early august
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def!! will do. also we have a VERY special surprise for the forum which will be released early august
Give us a hint . What could the August surprise be?
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A price increase of 3K from the E9X models sound right to me...why would the trend differ from their other models??
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      07-26-2013, 11:22 AM   #96
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A price increase of 3K from the E9X models sound right to me...why would the trend differ from their other models??
In the past, M models have often seen higher percentage increases than non-M models they are based upon.
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      07-26-2013, 12:18 PM   #97
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I suspect that base price is going to mean even less than before. When you could get a nice car with ~$5k of options before I think that number is going to be more like $15-$20k on the F80. Things like LED headlights, CRT seats and CF roof and Ceramic brakes will cost a pretty penny plus options like NAV and Bluetooth/IPod integration is now considered almost neccessary additions. Then we have HUD, individual paints etc,etc.

I think the base price is not going to be significantly higher but when you are done with adding all the options you would like the gap will probably be a bit eye watering.
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I suspect that base price is going to mean even less than before. When you could get a nice car with ~$5k of options before I think that number is going to be more like $15-$20k on the F80. Things like LED headlights, CRT seats and CF roof and Ceramic brakes will cost a pretty penny plus options like NAV and Bluetooth/IPod integration is now considered almost neccessary additions. Then we have HUD, individual paints etc,etc.

I think the base price is not going to be significantly higher but when you are done with adding all the options you would like the gap will probably be a bit eye watering.
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I think BMW will adopt a strategy like Porsche, where every single thing will be an option and it will all cost. Once added up, I expect to pay at least 85k for the vehicle and I don't think I will get CCB's for that price. I could be wrong, and I would like to be wrong, but I don't think so.
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I think BMW will adopt a strategy like Porsche, where every single thing will be an option and it will all cost. Once added up, I expect to pay at least 85k for the vehicle and I don't think I will get CCB's for that price. I could be wrong, and I would like to be wrong, but I don't think so.
Ouch, that's getting steep for a M3/4 when you look at what else you can get for $85-90k.
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I have a hard time believing that the coupe will start with a base price in the 70's, much less the sedan, though I do think it will be close. there's a natural ceiling here as a result of the M5 base price of $90k. also, while the lightweight materials we are expecting to see represent cost increases over the e9x, let's not forget that the engine is almost certainly an area where BMW is saving money vs. the outgoing e9x (which is not to suggest that automotive pricing follows a cost plus pricing model, but rather that I don't think the cost of the new vehicle will be as significant as the price increase will be).

having said that, here are my predictions for U.S. market pricing:

M3 sedan: $65,500 plus destination, or $66,400 roughly
M4 coupe: $69,500 plus destination, or $70,400 roughly

a fully-optioned coupe (including the ceramic brakes) will likely encroach M5 territory (i.e. ~$90k), but I think disciplined buyers will be able to keep the sticker price under $80k without sacrificing too many options. said another way, I think you will be able to get premium pkg, DCT, tech pkg and metallic paint for around $80k. adding any of the following would likely put you over $80k: ZCP, premium wheels or premium sound.

just my thoughts for the record. I'm interested to see how pricing comes in relative to my expectations.
man that is just toooo much for an m3/m4
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      07-26-2013, 11:42 PM   #101
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I think BMW will adopt a strategy like Porsche, where every single thing will be an option and it will all cost. Once added up, I expect to pay at least 85k for the vehicle and I don't think I will get CCB's for that price. I could be wrong, and I would like to be wrong, but I don't think so.
Ouch, that's getting steep for a M3/4 when you look at what else you can get for $85-90k.
While I'm anxiously waiting for the new M3/M4, honestly $85K+ is quite steep for me.

I'd rather push out another few thousand and get an M5.

I'm hoping a reasonably built M3 lands me around $70K...I don't need the ceramic brakes but would love to get other imp options like Nav, PDC, dct, upgraded sound system and I should be good to go.

But the problem here is that I'm in Canada and we always get raped here!
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      07-26-2013, 11:54 PM   #102
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While I'm anxiously waiting for the new M3/M4, honestly $85K+ is quite steep for me.

I'd rather push out another few thousand and get an M5.

I'm hoping a reasonably built M3 lands me around $70K...I don't need the ceramic brakes but would love to get other imp options like Nav, PDC, dct, upgraded sound system and I should be good to go.

But the problem here is that I'm in Canada and we always get raped here!
I think you will be able to get those options for $70-75k US...
If the rumours are true the M3 will be nearly 1000lbs lighter than the M5. The cars will be even less comparable than they already are. The M5 will feel like an ocean liner relative to the F80.
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no, coupe msrp will be 61k for sure
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no, coupe msrp will be 61k for sure
And you know that how since you are so "sure"?

Considering the base 435i + MSport Pkg already breaks $50k, and without even trying, you can loaded it up past $60k, I believe there is very little chance that the M4 is going to start at $61k.

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M3 - starts at $63k with DCT standard (6MT N/C option) - well-optioned @ $77k
M4 - starts at $66k with DCT standard (6MT N/C option) - well-optioned @ $80k

This would represents about $6k increase (or 10%), but with DCT being standard (BMW has been offering Auto/DCT as standard on many new models), the real increase if you are optioning DCT is only 5%.

I also think full-loaded (e.g. ceramic brakes, extended leather, etc.) it's going to hit $90k.
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And you know that how since you are so "sure"?

Considering the base 435i + MSport Pkg already breaks $50k, and without even trying, you can loaded it up past $60k, I believe there is very little chance that the M4 is going to start at $61k.

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M3 - starts at $63k with DCT standard (6MT N/C option) - well-optioned @ $77k
M4 - starts at $66k with DCT standard (6MT N/C option) - well-optioned @ $80k

This would represents about $6k increase (or 10%), but with DCT being standard (BMW has been offering Auto/DCT as standard on many new models), the real increase if you are optioning DCT is only 5%.

I also think full-loaded (e.g. ceramic brakes, extended leather, etc.) it's going to hit $90k.
Interesting point about DCT becoming standard and 6MT being a N/C option. That very well may be the case, but if that's true, I think your estimates are each at least $3k low, since that would represent a very modest price increase. will be interesting to see where the pricing comes in.
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Goddamit.

The A4 = 3er. A5 = 3 coupe. A6 = 5er.

The 3 series can't compete with the A6. The A4 competes with the 3er. There is no RS4 in 'murica.

If you look at it this way, the A4 and A5 share the same platform -- B8. Just as the F30 and F32 are. Jesus...

If anything, S4>335i. (Nappa leather, LSD, etc.)
S4 is more expensive than 335i and it's "S Line". I believe, if it comes up, m335i would be a more suitable competitor to S4. In the older models 335is was competing with s4-s5
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Interesting point about DCT becoming standard and 6MT being a N/C option. That very well may be the case, but if that's true, I think your estimates are each at least $3k low, since that would represent a very modest price increase. will be interesting to see where the pricing comes in.
It's definitely a speculation on my part, but if you look at the all the recent M and non-M cars, the trend is that the base price includes the AT/DCT (3/4/5/6-series, M5/M6, etc.), and if you exclude the outgoing e9x and e82/e88, all BMW models come with the AT/DCT as standard.

The price jump is also (obviously) speculative, but if you look at the M5 (e60 vs f10), the price jump was modest at around $5k ($85k vs. $90k), and the price jump also included the DCT as standard in the f10 M5. I think the jump from e9x to f8x will be slightly larger (hence my guesstimate) due to more weight reduction achieved with light weight materials.
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S4 is more expensive than 335i and it's "S Line". I believe, if it comes up, m335i would be a more suitable competitor to S4. In the older models 335is was competing with s4-s5
Not really. The S4 starts at a higher price, but it also includes more standard equipment. Additionally, once you add the M Performance Power Kit ($1170), whatever price advantage the 335i xDrive may have had is completely evaporated.

Both the S4 Premium Plus and the 335i xDrive with MSport start at roughly $49k.
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I'll throw my hat in with the low 60s and with options being a significant cost with a fully optioned one reaching the $80s.

BMW is probably going the way of Porsche with the base price not looking too bad but add in a lot of options and things get out of control.

Look at that 335 that starts in the mid $40k range and you can quickly put $15k in options if you start checking too many boxes. 25-30% of your base cost in options isn't that hard but staggering if you think about it. That's why some of these car for car comparisons are almost apples to oranges when some come standard with more features.

I thought the S4 was bad with the options cost until I looked at BMW and Porsche.
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There's a simple solution to keep the price down. Don't load up on a gazillion packages. Quiet frankly a lot of the options are fluff IMO. I personally dont like overloading a sports car with a bunch of creature comforts/tech features i'm not likely to use. It's already likely to have enough of them in a base model.

Also, if youre concerned about the value of the car you're seldom to ever recover that money plus ///M enthusiasts want a base car from my experience. Just look at the used E46 market as an example. People pay a premium for cars without nav, moonroof, smg (probably cant really compare smg to dct but you get my point), etc.
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