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      04-19-2014, 07:22 AM   #23
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While in general I agree with you, sometimes you do find the one(s)...in marriage or in cars! I guess I'm fortunate in both areas. After almost 10 years of ownership, my M5 is a keeper, as is the M coupe. (Hell, so is the car we've owned the longest, a Merc SUV of all things, but for different reasons!). I'm certainly looking forward to adding the F80 however.
Like I said, "With very few exceptions...".

I'll disagree with the M5, but I might just be on board with counting that M Coupe among those exceptions. It has no successor to outshine it, and it is just a classic looking coupe with a sort of ageless silhouette. If there's one thing that will harm it, it's the cut line in fender. Anyway, great car. I'd be tempted to keep that one too if it were in my garage.
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      04-19-2014, 09:23 AM   #24
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every car looks dated in one way shape or form.

I loved my car from the moment I got it and still do, but when i look at what's here and coming...It's meh now, but I still love it.
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      04-19-2014, 10:15 AM   #25
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All cars end up looking dated in one way or another.
I agree , but after seeing a lot of e46 M3s around town lately. I think that will be the most timeless design of all the M department.
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      04-19-2014, 01:22 PM   #26
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This.

You also have to realize that, just because you have a romantic affection for a car does not mean that it won't look outdated by the majority of the population. With very few exceptions, to the typical eye, old cars look old and new cars look new. It's just the way it is - it's the designers and engineers doing their jobs.

If you are hoping to buy an F8x (or any car) with the notion that "This is the one. I'm committing for life", well it's a nice fantasy, but it's going to wear off. You'll want the next great thing, or at best, if you really have some patience, the next great one after that. Just buy the car knowing you'll get a few good years from it, drive the hell out of it while you have it, and just be happy you get to experience it for that time.
Completely agree with this. How many of us have progressed through the different generations of M3's? Over that time, when we purchased them, we thought "Wow." With that, I have learned that it will date itself on me. I don't think that BMW is so much into an evolution of a signature design. It is a what is needed for the next generation approach that is partially dictated by what competition is doing. If I was to look back, I would still to this day pick the e46 M3 as the best design of the lot. Maybe it does not have all the tricked out stuff of the newer generations, but it looked good, was a NA engine, and to this day, IMHO, looks good on the road.

I realize my own limitations as mkoesel has already articulated. Come 5 yrs from now, I will want something different. Maybe the automotive industry will have decided to go back to non turbo engines or we will move to superchargers. Who knows? But the more I think about it, I am starting to lean towards a 911 for the simple reason that no matter how much tech Porsche decides to put into these cars, they basic DNA of the design will be present, and identifiable, which I think helps to reduce, or not mitigate, my desire to change all the time.

I think I have also come to realize that I want to get the most out of a car that I own, rather than lease it for 3-4 yrs before moving to the next one. I drove my first car into the ground, which was a vehicle my father gave me. I got my use out of that '73 Ford wagon with the 600 cubic inch engine. But, I think I want to do the same with a daily driver again. Sorry if I went off topic. This was a nice topic by the OP and a great response by mkoesel.
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      04-19-2014, 01:39 PM   #27
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      04-19-2014, 01:51 PM   #28
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I disagree. The 996 was hideous; the unloved Porsche. And today's 991, IMO, looks so much better than its predecessors. I honestly never liked Porsches of the 80's, but I really like the 991 and 997.

Now, I know this is totally biased, but to my eyes, all M3's look GREAT. Sure the E30 looks dated, but in a "I'd love to have that classic car" way.
My point was that because Porsche 911 has been so evolutionary it has kept even early cars looking great IMO. There is not much similarity between an E46 M3 design and the E92- it is quite a revolutionary change as with the F80- this tends to make the older model age faster IMO. You can be driving a 10 year old 911 and to most people it will look very similar to the newest model- not talking about whether the car looks good or not, just how a car ages with each generation.

A Porsche 993 is an old car but because the basic shape and details have been carried over with each generation and only tweaked it maintains that familiarity which helps it when it comes to looking dated.
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The cars I have loved over the years were a gradual warmup, romance, whatever. They grew on me, and stuck.
The implication here is that you'll buy a car even though your initial reaction to it may be lukewarm. That's the opposite of how I buy my cars. When I buy a car, the most important criteria for me is that I like to look at it and I conclude I'll, very likely, continue to like to look at it, day in and day out. This works for me; so, my cars do not seem dated - to me. And I keep them a long time. Whether others see my car as dated really doesn't concern me; but, obviously, to some, this is an important matter.
I like the overall style of the new car but there are some design elements in the front end which, from the pictures I've seen, strike me as faddish. I need to see it to in person before I could say how much it really moves me.
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      04-19-2014, 04:27 PM   #30
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I loved the car right when I saw it... same with the previous one which my brother owned (that's when I fell in love with ///M after all)...

And actually: I don't give a **** if it looks dated after a short or a long while. For me (that's maybe a difference to many others on this forum) this is not a regular purchase. It probably is the only chance I'll ever own an M. And thus I will learn to appreciate it day in, day out.
(I know this does not help to answer the OP question, but IMO "looking dated" is a feeling everybody will have differently)
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      04-19-2014, 11:27 PM   #31
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Good posts so far.
Thoughtful and a good discussion, free of the condescending tone of some other threads.
Thanks all.

For some clarity.... I will buy a car when the design has withstood the test of time to a degree, for me. I only buy it when I conclude "have to have it"...
Certain cars at first were: "what the..."
Then evolve in my view to, "wow, that is spectacular, I may need to look into that one"
My current cars that have the right stuff for me, and will for some time:
The e46 saloon LCI
E92 M3
The next one will need to hold the line, since I hold onto cars for a while.
Please continue the discussion if so inclined....
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      04-20-2014, 12:50 AM   #32
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      04-20-2014, 12:58 AM   #33
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I agree. Until I saw pics of the F8x M3/4 I never considered the E9x M3 to look dated at all. Now when I look at the E9x it looks like an old design to my eyes. I must say that Porsche are the masters of timeless design - every 911 produced in the 20 years still looks great. The key is that their evolution has been extremely slow aesthetically.

+1. Porsche is a great example of timeless design. Every iteration (except 996 non turbo models) gets better and better and stay true to its heritage.

I think the F8x M3 will fair better then the E9x M3 in terms of exterior design that will hold up for 8+ years to come. IMO, the F8x is not as rounded in shape and in certain angles then the E9x.
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      04-21-2014, 02:26 PM   #34
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My point was that because Porsche 911 has been so evolutionary it has kept even early cars looking great IMO. There is not much similarity between an E46 M3 design and the E92- it is quite a revolutionary change as with the F80- this tends to make the older model age faster IMO...
The 911 has a unique body defined by the RR format. It looks unlike anything else on the road, which is why they are so recognizable.

The 3-series all have the same basic shape too, the trouble is it's the same shape as every other sedan on the road so it's not as distinctive. It's harder to see the lineage.

The only thing Porsche has been good about is keeping the headlights relatively consistent. The rest of the car has changed to the same degree as a 3 series: bigger dimensions, sleeker rooflines, more muscular, complex surfaces - but still the same basic shape.

If the 911 was a sedan, I guarantee the 2015 would not look as similar to the 1965.
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      04-21-2014, 03:11 PM   #35
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Mostly good points here. IMO, a car will look 'dated' as time passes, no matter what, but whether you LIKE how it looks depends on the uniqueness and just overall aesthetics of the car. Does a Shelby Cobra 427 Super Snake look dated? Yes, of course. Would I kill to have it in my garage, and do I think it looks good????

My fear for the F82 is that the front and rear bumpers seem a LITTLE too busy, trendy, dare I say it, ricey. Just a smidge. Now, I've seen it enough that I've grown to really like it, but I just hope I continue to like it over time. Overall, do I think the M4 is a beautiful car? I do. In the end, I think the car is unique and distinctive enough, for me, that when it gets dated, I will still like it. Color matters a lot too.

Different subject (sort of), but personally, I don't like the non-M versions of the E36 and E92, but love the M cars. E46 seems like the sweet spot to me. Looks dated. Like the looks.
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      04-22-2014, 10:15 AM   #36
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M3's in general age very well in my opinion, all m3 look good. In order of perference e46 m3, F82 M4, e92 m3, e30 m3, e36 m3.
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I like to think of the F80 as a modern day E39 M5 and that car never has looked dated to me (except the nav ha). The F80 bumpers are the only parts that worry me but, as someone has already said, M cars tend to look good over time (the only exceptions to me are the E63/64 M6 that look terrible!). I think it?ll hold up but then again I?m quite biased.

By the way, someone brought up Porsche. To me most 911s after the 993 (ie post 1995) look horribly dated precisely because Porsche makes only slight changes that make the new ones look a lot better. The 996 and 996.2 are especially bad IMO
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From what I've seen one the new M5, that car is the definition of bland,

If the new Gxx M3 follows that design school, I think the F80 has nothing to worry about
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Looking modern and looking beautiful are two different concepts.

A car can look dated but still looks beautiful or eye catching. Ferrari 288GTO, Testarossa, Lamborghini Countach, Porsche 993 Carrera RS..etc

The thing is if you think the F80/82 looks beautiful now then its not going to change in 10 years time when newer models show up.

If you like its look because you think it looks modern without being eye candy like a Alfa Romeo Giulia or the C63AMGs coupe then yes it will look dated and not particularly eye catching in 10 years time.
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With the new 3 series coming next yes it will look dated............. but when will the new M3 be coming?.
I am considering the new G30 540i XDrive to replace my 2017 M3 CP next March, the tech is well impressive and to be fare it does go well, the performance Pack would improve it more too.

If the new M5 has anything to go by totally BLAND !!!!!!
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I think it will still look ok when the next gen comes out. The E90/92 still looks good when I see it on the road. Aside from the kidney grilles looking a bit dated, the rest of the car still looks damn good.
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Culture still has an infatuation with nostalgia.
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Marketing will always make us feel like our current cars are outdated.

That's it's job...
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