BMW M3 and M4 - The Icons
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
home
G80 BMW M3 and M4 General Topics BMW M3 (G80), M4 (G82), CSL and 3.0 CSL General Forum

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-12-2014, 12:25 PM   #1
BMW M3 CRT
Lieutenant
BMW M3 CRT's Avatar
177
Rep
464
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Germany

iTrader: (0)

Carsten Pries: Future (next?) 4-cylinder M3/M4 is possible!

BIMMERPOST
     Featured on BIMMERPOST.com
Said by head of BMW M Product Management (Carsten Pries):

Quote:
BMW M’s product planning chief says the next-generation M3 model family could be powered by a four-cylinder engine, despite the fact the Bavarian performance brand is currently without any four-cylinder models.

Speaking at the international launch of the all-new F80/82 M3 and M4 in Portugal over the weekend, BMW M Division Head of Product Management Carsten Pries told motoring.com.au it was "foreseeable" that a four-cylinder engine could power the next generation of the iconic model.

"We do not start our design process with a power output in mind. We have a set of characteristics that a new model must meet. For sure, you could see a future [M3] powered by a four-cylinder engine," Pries told motoring.com.au.

In its latest fifth generation, the new M3 (sedan and M4 coupe) is powered by a 3.0-litre twin-turbo inline six-cylinder. The new powerplant is around 25 per cent more fuel-efficient than the V8 engine in the E90/92 M3 generation it replaces, yet the six offers almost 40 per cent more torque and power gains.

Just released, the new M3 and M4 will likely have a model life of six to seven years. Thus there’ll be some time to wait for details on the powerplant that would power a four-cylinder M3.

According to Pries, the new smaller, lighter six now used was a "significant contributor" to the new generation car’s ability to address the "weight spiral".

"Performance can be boosted with more power, but if we are to address issues like emissions and consumption [in the future], we have to look more at weight. We decided in this generation to address the [upward] weight spiral," Pries explained

Pries said the downsizing trend is likely to continue in future generations.

"If we have a car with less mass, it is foreseeable that the [performance] targets we set could be reached with a four [cylinder]," he stated.

The original E30 generation M3 and a number of its derivatives were powered by four-cylinder powerplants. There are currently, however, no bespoke four-cylinder M division engines -- even the hot M135 hatch is powered by a six-cylinder engine.

-- http://www.motoring.com.au/news/spor...ur-for-m-43418
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 12:47 PM   #2
ASAP
Major General
ASAP's Avatar
9970
Rep
8,539
Posts

Drives: '23 X3 M40i
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

8 to 6 is one thing. 6 to 4 is where I look for an exit sign.
__________________
2 x N54 -> 1 x N55 -> 1 x S55-> 1 x B58
Appreciate 12
Ilikemike250.50
starbai646.50
AYF8080.50
yuKon2242.50
AD18347.50
      05-12-2014, 12:58 PM   #3
Wah
IG@i.am.wah
Wah's Avatar
United_States
2779
Rep
3,815
Posts

Drives: M2 CS
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NJ

iTrader: (4)

Garage List
Ehh.. I don't think it will happen unless there is some hybrid/electric technology involved. I think the future M3/4 engine will depend on the direction of motorsports. But what do I know...?
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 01:01 PM   #4
Tåst
Second Lieutenant
Tåst's Avatar
2
Rep
220
Posts

Drives: BMW, I think.
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: FIN

iTrader: (0)

Yes, plausible. I also keep very plausible that next gen M3 is powered by electric. I also keep plausible that something happens and I don't see next gen M3. I also keep plausible that you should buy M3, because it is plausible last 6 cylinder. Maybe it is last four wheel car, plausible. I think that is plausible that you can't get leather seats to next gen M3, because plausible very unexpected fast global warming.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 01:03 PM   #5
stressdoc
Moderator
stressdoc's Avatar
Dominica
616
Rep
10,853
Posts

Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Waco TX

iTrader: (0)

Z2 M
4cyl 300 bhp 1000 kilos = fast.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 01:09 PM   #6
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
205
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

hey at least a 4 cyl turbo will (hopefully) have an electric system paired to it (Hi-Kers)

....let me predict it now....the headline....

MUCH MORE RESPONSIVE THAN LAST GENERATION TURBO LAG due to hybrid technology.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 01:30 PM   #7
JoeFromPA
Colonel
1789
Rep
2,995
Posts

Drives: '15 AW M3 6MT Stripper
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: SE PA

iTrader: (0)

I don't buy (or not) based upon cylinder count. I've owned the following:

1. Turbo I4
2. Inline six
3. N/A high revving four
4. Turbo inline FIVE cylinder
5. Turbo FLAT four cylinder
6. High revving N/A four
7. Flat six cylinder
8. BMW M V8 (S62)
9. Turbo flat four cylinder
10. BMW N54
11. Twin turbo diesel v10 (VW Touareg)

And ya know what? Some of my favorite engines were the N/A and turbo four cylinders.

So why would I make a buying decision based upon just hearing something is a four cylinder? Heck, Porsche made a phenomenal 3.0 liter four cylinder in the 90s
Appreciate 1
BatCam1.50
      05-12-2014, 01:31 PM   #8
mkoesel
Moderator
United_States
7506
Rep
19,370
Posts

Drives: No BMW for now
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Canton, MI

iTrader: (1)

I would consider this a long shot for next generation.

The next big engine revolution is likely to be the elimination of the V8 in the 5 series (except for M5). Rumors of this happening in the next E class are beginning to pick up (in favor of a new Mercedes I6 of all things), so we might see this happen for the G30. Once it does happen, though, it will set into motion the downsizing of engines in the smaller vehicles in the lineup as well. But I would still expect at least one generation after this occurs for the I6 to be eliminated from the 3 series, and perhaps not even until a generation after that happens would it then be replaced in the M3. Of course that timeline could put us fifteen years out which might be longer than it will actually take.

We haven't seen a single long running nameplate switch to hybrid-only power yet. That's another key event that needs to happen before am I4 M3 too. I do think it is likely this will occur in luxury segments first though.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 01:36 PM   #9
JRV
Captain
United_States
117
Rep
922
Posts

Drives: 2011.75 AWE90M3
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: CT

iTrader: (1)

I wonder how the public would perceive a 4 cylinder M3 starting at $65k. The price better drop!
__________________
'11 Black/Black GLK350 (Wife)
'19 Black RAM 1500 Big Horn Night Package
'11 Loaded AW Fox Red/Black/Black Carbon Leather ZCP E90 M3 (Halloween Delivery)
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 01:36 PM   #10
myzmak
Advocatus Douchebagus. Sex Marxist.
myzmak's Avatar
Canada
2413
Rep
3,415
Posts

Drives: Lucy.
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Canada

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2015 F80 M3  [10.00]
2013 MB E350 Wagon  [10.00]
No kidding a 4 cylinder M3 is possible.

In fact, it is so possible that it already exists and has for almost 30 years: its called the E30. And it is truly legendary.

Seriously, if and when it happens again (one or two gens from now) it would only be because ridiculous performance can be pulled out of that kind of engine. Which would be a good thing.

That is the real joy of the M division (IMHO): not large engines, not noise, not 'ring track times, etc. But taking something "ordinary" (the standard 3 series, say) and making it ridiculously sublime. The engine size is just one of the tools, like all the others.

In the end, I don't really care how they do it, but love that they keep doing so....
Appreciate 1
BatCam1.50
      05-12-2014, 01:45 PM   #11
ASAP
Major General
ASAP's Avatar
9970
Rep
8,539
Posts

Drives: '23 X3 M40i
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: FL

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeFromPA View Post
I don't buy (or not) based upon cylinder count. I've owned the following:

1. Turbo I4
2. Inline six
3. N/A high revving four
4. Turbo inline FIVE cylinder
5. Turbo FLAT four cylinder
6. High revving N/A four
7. Flat six cylinder
8. BMW M V8 (S62)
9. Turbo flat four cylinder
10. BMW N54
11. Twin turbo diesel v10 (VW Touareg)

And ya know what? Some of my favorite engines were the N/A and turbo four cylinders.

So why would I make a buying decision based upon just hearing something is a four cylinder? Heck, Porsche made a phenomenal 3.0 liter four cylinder in the 90s
I have owned a few turbo 4s in my past. NVH and reliability issue make them a no go in my future. Also, tunability of a 4 on stock internals is not close to what it could be on a 6 or 8. My choices for a performance car are;

Big V8 (5.0L +)
TT6
TT8

So, a highly reliable turbo 4 making 460-470 hp and acceptable NVH? Good luck with that lol. 400 LB-FT+ of reliable torque in a turbo 4... gl with that again.
__________________
2 x N54 -> 1 x N55 -> 1 x S55-> 1 x B58
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 02:22 PM   #12
BMW M3 CRT
Lieutenant
BMW M3 CRT's Avatar
177
Rep
464
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Germany

iTrader: (0)

There are some rumors that the next generation BMW I6, the B58, is only coming as .40i in the 5er series and bigger cars, and that the .35i gets at this generation change from N to B the top of the line B48 with 300+ HP !?
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 02:32 PM   #13
M3_WC
Brigadier General
1040
Rep
3,622
Posts

Drives: M3
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: CA

iTrader: (0)

I hope they do it, just to see how dedicated the fanboys are.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 02:44 PM   #14
Johnmd
Banned
1
Rep
61
Posts

Drives: CLS AMG
Join Date: May 2014
Location: NJ

iTrader: (0)

Europeans and their pretentious "portions"....
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 02:50 PM   #15
ixse
Major
238
Rep
1,022
Posts

Drives: 2015 boxster s
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: CA

iTrader: (0)

easy to pop 300hp from 4 banger.. pair that with elec motors worth 100hp and 150ish tq, you are looking at a lag free 4banger that will best most sports cars. and mostly 30+mpg at the same time.. usually supercar stuff (i.e 918, p1, laferrari) trickle down given enough time.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 02:56 PM   #16
Eau Rouge
Major
Eau Rouge's Avatar
United_States
140
Rep
1,242
Posts

Drives: 2012 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Florida's Emerald Coast

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2012 BMW E92 M3  [9.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by M3_WC View Post
I hope they do it, just to see how dedicated the fanboys are.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 03:36 PM   #17
pkimM3r
Banned
pkimM3r's Avatar
205
Rep
7,298
Posts

Drives: m3 saloon in granny mode.
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: lost angeles

iTrader: (0)

to quote the lexus commercial....."you are feeling powerful...in a 4 cylinder engine...." haha
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 03:43 PM   #18
jmftexas
Private
14
Rep
76
Posts

Drives: E92 335 / F30 335i
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

WHAT?!?! A four cylinder M3? That is unheard of.......oh wait.




Yes I realize that was a different time and that car had none of the tech and safety weight to lug around that a modern car does.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 04:16 PM   #19
Imola3
Second Lieutenant
Imola3's Avatar
324
Rep
237
Posts

Drives: Mk.7 Golf R
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Miami

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by myzmak View Post
No kidding a 4 cylinder M3 is possible.

In fact, it is so possible that it already exists and has for almost 30 years: its called the E30. And it is truly legendary.

Seriously, if and when it happens again (one or two gens from now) it would only be because ridiculous performance can be pulled out of that kind of engine. Which would be a good thing.

That is the real joy of the M division (IMHO): not large engines, not noise, not 'ring track times, etc. But taking something "ordinary" (the standard 3 series, say) and making it ridiculously sublime. The engine size is just one of the tools, like all the others.

In the end, I don't really care how they do it, but love that they keep doing so....
This.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 04:28 PM   #20
stressdoc
Moderator
stressdoc's Avatar
Dominica
616
Rep
10,853
Posts

Drives: BMW i8; Toy 4runner TRD pro
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Waco TX

iTrader: (0)

Consider that the i-8 has a three-cylinder engine...

And that the quickest BMWs have four-cylinder engines (S1000rr)
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 05:49 PM   #21
tdizzle
Colonel
United_States
107
Rep
1,997
Posts

Drives: 2017 F80 ZCP
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Memphis

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ixse View Post
easy to pop 300hp from 4 banger.. pair that with elec motors worth 100hp and 150ish tq, you are looking at a lag free 4banger that will best most sports cars. and mostly 30+mpg at the same time.. usually supercar stuff (i.e 918, p1, laferrari) trickle down given enough time.
What is it that Benz makes, the cla 45 amg or something? 355hp from a 2 liter 4 cylinder if I recall.
Appreciate 0
      05-12-2014, 05:51 PM   #22
Jockey
Brigadier General
Jockey's Avatar
3435
Rep
4,978
Posts

Drives: 992 C4S
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Park City, UT

iTrader: (1)

Having owned turbocharged 4-cyl before, please no.

Unless BMW wants to do a hybrid ala P1 & 918 Spyder. Then by all means
Appreciate 1
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:03 AM.




g80
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST