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      05-15-2014, 03:00 AM   #1
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AMS claims M3/M4 Nurburgring Lap Time of ~7.50min !

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In the today print issue of AMS (Auto Motor Sport) is an track driving review of the MotoGP M4 on Losail Circuit in Qatar. They also claimed the S55 as not so sharply throttle responsive as the old S65, but because of the overall performance this doesn´t matter much, there is enough power out of the engine and with the Akrapovic Performance Exhaust it sounds like an/the V8.

Included is an small article about an comparison between M3 vs. M4 ... in this article they quoted for M3 and M4 identical performance and identical (reached) Nurburgring times of round 7.50 min !!!

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Hi. Is NOS the Nürburgring Nordschleife? (I'm assuming not New Old Stock or National Oceanic Service) And is this an estimated time from a virtual comparison, or did they actually drive real examples for this test?

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Hi. Is NOS the Nürburgring Nordschleife? (I'm assuming not New Old Stock or National Oceanic Service)
YES ... you are right

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And is this an estimated time from a virtual comparison, or did they actually drive real examples for this test?

Thanks!
I don´t know were this time come from ... but AMS is the (normal street car) sister magazine of SPORTAUTO - the reference magazine for NOS times.
And the drivers and authors of this AMS article (Jens Dralle->MotoGP-M4/Christian Gebhardt->M3) are also main testers of SPORTAUTO together with the wellknown Supertest driver and author HvS.
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      05-15-2014, 08:14 AM   #4
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YES ... you are right


I don´t know were this time come from ... but AMS is the (normal street car) sister magazine of SPORTAUTO - the reference magazine for NOS times.
And the drivers and authors of this AMS article (Jens Dralle->MotoGP-M4/Christian Gebhardt->M3) are also main testers of SPORTAUTO together with the wellknown Supertest driver and author HvS.
Maybe it comes from BMW during the press drives. IIRC, BMW said that the F8X was 15sec quicker that the E9X around the 'ring. AMS probably simply deduced 15sec from their 8:05 time with the E9X.
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      05-15-2014, 09:46 AM   #5
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Maybe it comes from BMW during the press drives. IIRC, BMW said that the F8X was 15sec quicker that the E9X around the 'ring. AMS probably simply deduced 15sec from their 8:05 time with the E9X.
I thought BMW said "more than 10 seconds faster," not 15?
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I thought BMW said "more than 10 seconds faster," not 15?
They said "more than 10 seconds" at the original launch. I read in several articles that BMW was more specific at the press drive event in Portugal citing 15 seconds.
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YES ... you are right


I don´t know were this time come from ... but AMS is the (normal street car) sister magazine of SPORTAUTO - the reference magazine for NOS times.
And the drivers and authors of this AMS article (Jens Dralle->MotoGP-M4/Christian Gebhardt->M3) are also main testers of SPORTAUTO together with the wellknown Supertest driver and author HvS.
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I thought BMW said "more than 10 seconds faster," not 15?
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They said "more than 10 seconds" at the original launch. I read in several articles that BMW was more specific at the press drive event in Portugal citing 15 seconds.
Yes, at the Portugal event they said 15s quicker on the Nürburgring. This has also been mentioned in several other posts after that event.

I think that @swamp2 also expected a similar improvement, based on his simulations, some time ago? (sometime after the launch where they said more than 10s)
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      05-15-2014, 12:28 PM   #8
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Yes, the 15s has been mentioned by many journalists as the number given by BMW in Portugal. I would think that's conservative since it's a new car while the E9X has had a full model cycle to improve it's times and we'll see 20s before the F8X hand over to the next generation.
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      05-15-2014, 01:07 PM   #9
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M4 Nurburgring Nordschleife Lap Time 7:50 Per May 12 Autoblog Review?

Wow - so a quote toward the end of the Autoblog Review of the M4 from May 12:

"For those obsessed with numbers, BMW says this M4 coupe will lap the famed Nürburgring Nordschleife a full 15 seconds quicker than its predecessor (and five seconds quicker than the current F10 M5)."

Since the E9x was 8:05 and the F10 M5 was 7:55, a 7:50 is a pretty good time! (Although I was actually hoping for a little better). I have not, however, seen this laptime posted anywhere else, which makes me wonder if it is not truly the best time for the F8x generation, or if BMW may be trying to get yet an even better time.

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http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=985945

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This reply was to the above post when it was posted as a new thread (just above this thread on the General M3/4 forum...)
The mods have since merged the this with the original thread on this topic

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      05-15-2014, 02:05 PM   #11
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Very happy with that result. The race is on to see who can record under 7:50. Im going to let Sabine Schmitz give it a go during our ED in my M3
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The original 2012 F10 M5 got the 7:55 lap time.

Since then, Competition Package for the F10 M5 now has a time of 7:45 around the Nordschliefe.

M6 without Comp Pack is faster than 7:45 and with Comp Pack who knows probably another 10 seconds faster.

Awesome that they reportedly got the new M4 to be 15 seconds faster. I think it's a great achievement. Would love to drive a new M4 on the Nordschliefe one day too.
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The original 2012 F10 M5 got the 7:55 lap time.

Since then, Competition Package for the F10 M5 now has a time of 7:45 around the Nordschliefe.

M6 without Comp Pack is faster than 7:45 and with Comp Pack who knows probably another 10 seconds faster.

Awesome that they reportedly got the new M4 to be 15 seconds faster. I think it's a great achievement. Would love to drive a new M4 on the Nordschliefe one day too.
Who did the 7:45 time?

Sure it's not a BTG time? The only really comparable times we have are the Sport Auto times as they are done with known spec and same driver.
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Who did the 7:45 time?

Sure it's not a BTG time? The only really comparable times we have are the Sport Auto times as they are done with known spec and same driver.
It's unknown who drove the 7:45 time. BMW has only ever stated that with the Comp Pack the F10 M5 is 10 seconds faster around the Ring. That was from BMW officially.
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The original 2012 F10 M5 got the 7:55 lap time.

Since then, Competition Package for the F10 M5 now has a time of 7:45 around the Nordschliefe.

M6 without Comp Pack is faster than 7:45 and with Comp Pack who knows probably another 10 seconds faster.

Awesome that they reportedly got the new M4 to be 15 seconds faster. I think it's a great achievement. Would love to drive a new M4 on the Nordschliefe one day too.
Reference? AFAIK no one has officially tested the M5 Comp.

IIRC Sport Auto ran an 8:03 in the F10 non comp.

There were rumors of a 7:55 with zero supporting evidence.
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Yes, the 15s has been mentioned by many journalists as the number given by BMW in Portugal. I would think that's conservative since it's a new car while the E9X has had a full model cycle to improve it's times and we'll see 20s before the F8X hand over to the next generation.
The 8:05 posted by Sport Auto was soon after the E92 launch.

The stock time will not change significantly over the life of the model.... only small changes due to track conditions, ambient conditions, driver, and changes in tire compound if the original compound becomes unavailable.
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Reference? AFAIK no one has officially tested the M5 Comp.

IIRC Sport Auto ran an 8:03 in the F10 non comp.

There were rumors of a 7:55 with zero supporting evidence.
From Bimmerpost Members back in the day.
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549428

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http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/27/u...n-time-at-the/


On Estoril, Max Ahme, responsible for the chassis development at BMW M GmbH, said: “With Competition Package, the M5 is 10 seconds faster on the Nordschleife (of the Nürburgring)” This would mean the lap time dropped from 7 minute 55 to 7: 45.
"575 HP 2014 BMW M5 On-Track Review By Dutch FIA Champion Henny Hemmes" -The Auto Channel.Com

F13 M6 no Comp Pack 7:44 - BTG.
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m6_2012.html

There are no recorded times known for F13 M6 Comp Package around the Ring. But one can guess it would be a solid 10 seconds faster than 7:44 BTG. Putting it at, at least 7:34 BTG, which would put it at around the same Ring times as the Audi R8 GT and Konigsegg CCX. Now that's a FAST BMW!
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It's unknown who drove the 7:45 time. BMW has only ever stated that with the Comp Pack the F10 M5 is 10 seconds faster around the Ring. That was from BMW officially.
Sport Auto did a 8:05 time with the M5 (non CP) here:

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=4

If BMW claim the CP is 10s faster that would put it at 7:55...
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Sport Auto did a 8:05 time with the M5 (non CP) here:

http://www.sportauto.de/supertest/bm...95.html?show=4

If BMW claim the CP is 10s faster that would put it at 7:55...
Yeah that's cool. I like go off of the fastestlaptime website.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
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The 8:05 posted by Sport Auto was soon after the E92 launch.

The stock time will not change significantly over the life of the model.... only small changes due to track conditions, ambient conditions, driver, and changes in tire compound if the original compound becomes unavailable.
This is a good point and furthermore it could be that BMW is not saying that the F8X is 15s faster than the 8:05 time. Same with the M5/M6 times comp. pkg or not. They are relative times to an unknown reference. It could be that on the same day with the same driver the F82 was 15s faster than an unknown time set that time for the E92 M3. That time could be 8:05 but it could also be 8:10 or 8:00 or just about any number...
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From Bimmerpost Members back in the day.
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=549428

Autoblog
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/06/27/u...n-time-at-the/


On Estoril, Max Ahme, responsible for the chassis development at BMW M GmbH, said: “With Competition Package, the M5 is 10 seconds faster on the Nordschleife (of the Nürburgring)” This would mean the lap time dropped from 7 minute 55 to 7: 45.
"575 HP 2014 BMW M5 On-Track Review By Dutch FIA Champion Henny Hemmes" -The Auto Channel.Com

F13 M6 no Comp Pack 7:44 - BTG.
http://fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m6_2012.html

There are no recorded times known for F13 M6 Comp Package around the Ring. But one can guess it would be a solid 10 seconds faster than 7:44 BTG. Putting it at, at least 7:34 BTG.
The forum posts, autoblog, and other sites were all driven by the same rumor.

The rumor started during a press event. It was never backed up by any data. When BMW were asked to confirm the 7:55 they responded that they don't quote lap times. There's no video and no data. BMW won't publish or even verbally confirm... you decide.

The ONLY way to know what the M6 comp will do is to test. I'd bet a grand or so it's not 10 sec faster BTG than the non comp. The F10 comp was 0.1 sec faster than the non-comp at Hockenheim short.

The M6 non comp was 0.3 sec slower than the M5 non comp at Hoeckheim short. THE M6 COMP WAS 0.4 sec SLOWER THAN THE M6 NON COMP at Hockenheim short.

My point is that you can't assume, you have to test. And the results aren't always what you would've predicted, and that the only reliable full ring time for the M5/6 that I know of is the 8:0x by sport auto.
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Yeah that's cool. I like go off of the fastestlaptime website.

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
Unfortunately it looks like fastestlaptime.com bit on the same rumor. I like that site as well. If you google it, it's been written about.
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