[NICOLAS SARKOZY]

Too bad for you fellow americans!!!!!!!!!! according to some euro magazines this engine revs better than the TT!!! they also say this engine is better suited for 6MT than the TT !!!! 3.0 and 272 HP is almost as good as the first M3 E36 (euro) wich had 286 hp for 3.0 .I think a lot of people (especialy the 6MT addicts) had chose this engine better than TT if it were available for US market.What do you think guys???????????????

[iatacs19]

Should be an excellent engine if the specs hold true, but you make the choice N/A or TT? I think it's a no-brainer.

[ArmyBimmerDude]

I think those euro magazines don't know what they're talking about. You can upgrade the 335 to some serious power, whereas the 330 is stuck for the most part where its at unless you put a supercharger in it.

I have yet to read any article stating a preference of the 330 over 335.

[JIMD1709]

That comment the euro magazines made about Turbos not being as well suited for the manual tranny are general statements. In general you lose a little boost when you depress the clutch, and come off the gas, then the diverter valve re-directs boost pressure until you push down the pedal again. With the 335's set-up with the tiny turbos and direct injection, this isn't the case. The simple rules of typical turbo engines don't accurately apply to 335. It's just that simple.
I don't own one, as I have the 328, but I drive them on a daily basis. With the 335, you sacrifice nothing by going 6 speed manual, beleive me.

[JackMac]

Yes, our choices are limited. Thanks BMW NA.

But now let's talk about price, Nicolas...

[SCA]

Originally Posted by NICOLAS SARKOZY

Too bad for you fellow americans!!!!!!!!!! according to some euro magazines this engine revs better than the TT!!! they also say this engine is better suited for 6MT than the TT !!!! 3.0 and 272 HP is almost as good as the first M3 E36 (euro) wich had 286 hp for 3.0 .I think a lot of people (especialy the 6MT addicts) had chose this engine better than TT if it were available for US market.What do you think guys???????????????

I agree, I wish it was offered in the US. Don't get me wrong, I love the N54, but the TT worries me (long-term reliability). I rather have a N/A 6 with more HP than the N52 330i had.

[shadowcoder]

Originally Posted by SCA

I agree, I wish it was offered in the US. Don't get me wrong, I love the N54, but the TT worries me. I rather have a N/A 6 with more HP than the N52 330i had.

+1

[epiphone3]

Originally Posted by NICOLAS SARKOZY

Too bad for you fellow americans!!!!!!!!!! according to some euro magazines this engine revs better than the TT!!! they also say this engine is better suited for 6MT than the TT !!!! 3.0 and 272 HP is almost as good as the first M3 E36 (euro) wich had 286 hp for 3.0 .I think a lot of people (especialy the 6MT addicts) had chose this engine better than TT if it were available for US market.What do you think guys???????????????

I would definately buy the new Direct-injected 330i with 272hp over the 335i TT. It is a super nice mill, easier on gas, and I find BMW's naturally aspirated straight-sixes orgasmic to drive (literally... the power builds all the way to a nice climax). The TT is an unbelieveable engine, unmatched for power density, but I just really like naturally aspirated motors... the TT just has a wall of power from early in the rev band... this does seem to make it more suited to an automatic gear box after having driven both.

I would love a new 330i with 272 ponies... heck, I even would have loved the old 255hp one.

[NICOLAS SARKOZY]

Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

I think those euro magazines don't know what they're talking about. You can upgrade the 335 to some serious power, whereas the 330 is stuck for the most part where its at unless you put a supercharger in it.

I have yet to read any article stating a preference of the 330 over 335.

Armydude it seems that you favorite sport is to contradict everything i say/post on this forum.I'ver never said that Sport auto (a reference in car magazines) said the 330I is BETTER than 335I they said it revs faster and has a better feeling with 6MT than TT engine wich is a torquey engine well suited for auto gearboxes

[nmulax]

Originally Posted by SCA

I agree, I wish it was offered in the US. Don't get me wrong, I love the N54, but the TT worries me (long-term reliability). I rather have a N/A 6 with more HP than the N52 330i had.

Originally Posted by shadowcoder

+1

+2
I'm more concerned with having a strong bullet-proof engine then the ability to mod.

[montreal_bimmer]

id go 335 with procede.... but a 272hp 330 aint too shabby

[dougman]

Definitely would have been my choice, had it been available. For regular driving, I just love the feel of moving through the gears on BMW's NA engines, hence my choice of the 328. The 330 would have been even more ideal to partially close the performance gap with the 335.

[ksfrogman]

When you think of it, 272-255 = 17 flywheel HP, which probably translates to something like 13 or 14 wHP, a number that is not beyond the reach of modding the US N52.

[esbezee92]

how are these extra 17 horses gained, is it something they did to the old 330i or did they come up with something new, im just thinking in terms of people being able to turn their old 330i's into the newer 272hp ones

[Shawn_speed]

Originally Posted by esbezee92

how are these extra 17 horses gained, is it something they did to the old 330i or did they come up with something new, im just thinking in terms of people being able to turn their old 330i's into the newer 272hp ones

Totally different fuel management and delivery system. The new engine has the same direct injection system as the N54 TT. They can't bring it to the US yet because of the gas blend and emmisions.

I wonder if it has had the same checkered history of HPFP problems.

Shawn
Phoenix

[Technic]

Originally Posted by ksfrogman

When you think of it, 272-255 = 17 flywheel HP, which probably translates to something like 13 or 14 wHP, a number that is not beyond the reach of modding the US N52.

Definitely it is less than 17 flywheel HP, just because the current USA 3.0 I-6 is rated at 260 (no DI). And those 272hp for the DI version are DIN rated, not SAE...

I do not think that we are missing much in the HP area, but probably in fuel efficiency and torque.

[omg516]

Is the 330 geared shorter than the 335? Wouldn't this technically make it "rev faster"? All things being equal, if the cars were geared the same and the 330 pulled from idle to redline faster, then wouldn't it be a faster car?

[Jason]

Posts removed to keep this from spiraling into a 330 vs. 335 pissing match.

[flush01]

Originally Posted by epiphone3

funny how I've driven every 3-series model in both manual and automatic except for the 328i. I think I know what I want and don't want.

good for you... but if you ask 100 people what they want: TT 3.0 or 275hp 3.0 and 90% will say 3.0 TT ...

[-Ryan-]

I'll figure out how to survive with my lowly TT.

[epiphone3]

Originally Posted by flush01

good for you... but if you ask 100 people what they want: TT 3.0 or 275hp 3.0 and 90% will say 3.0 TT ...

I guess that is why I am "out of the box" then. I like what I like and others like what they like... no need to knock people's choices.

[theDude]

Originally Posted by Jason

Posts removed to keep this from spiraling into a 330 vs. 335 pissing match.

Nice catch