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      07-24-2014, 08:06 PM   #66
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Agree with what you're saying. The amount of sensitivity and defensiveness is quite crazy. This particular review is not an outlier, but actually corroborates quite a few points brought up by numerous reviews, including TG and another one which stated that the last ZCP E90 was at least as enjoyable as the new car. You'll probably see more reviews talk about the modest numbing down of the traditional M driving experience, which is to be expected with a turbo charged car (revs, sound, throttle response) with electric steering (while precise, won't feel the road as much). Which is fine, as the new car does a quite a few things better too; however accusations, name calling or outright distortion of info are getting ridiculous. For example, "new M3 is faster than a supercharged E92", when the traps/times clearly showed the opposite. Also that E30 DTM vs M4 thread was the epitome for me, where obviously the same driver was driving both cars, you heard some ridiculous assertions: 1) it's the same helmet but not the same driver; 2) the M4 guy obviously doesn't know how to drive; 3) you're not reading the German article right, because the English translation from a source that isn't exactly the most reliable is saying it isn't the same driver.

People should just read articles and weigh the evidence, pro and con and try to get a broad perspective of opinions rather than name calling or accusing anyone who doesn't like the new car (or vice versa). This is a forum that is supposed to be about constructive opinions and agreeing to disagree is okay.

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Originally Posted by modkrazy View Post
The chorus of complaints about the old car from the U.S. market came down to three things:

1. More city torque so we don't have to shift down to pass on the highway, or be embarrassed by Jeep SRT8s at stop signs - Check!
2. Better fuel economy so we don't have to spend half our lives at the pump - Check!
3. Cupholders! - Check!

Seems like BMW knows their target market very well.


The review did not call the M4 a crappy car for losers. Nor was anyone shouting down countering opinions as trolls. Like you said, this is a single reviewer's opinion. Why are you so defensive? With an attitude like that, it won't matter what forum you go to, you'll always be the loser.
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