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I talked to a bunch of dealers before i pulled the trigger on mine
they were all willing to discount 10 k plus before rebates , but you have to talk to the managers rather than SA
and sometimes you have to remind them that these cars sat around for a reason.. they were over priced
for example one dealer started at 5 k off, and I told them the going rate is much more , 5 min after we left , offer changed to 19 k off
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