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      09-26-2013, 03:34 PM   #68

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Originally Posted by burrito007 View Post

all im saying is BMW made the S54 in 1999/2000. and HPF hacked together a turbo in mid 2000s. BMW couldn't pull off a better engine?

don't get me wrong the S54 is going to be cool. but it just leaves you wondering what they could have done if they werent trying to make a good car/engine and weren't just looking for ways to cut costs and ///Marketing

by ///Marketing i mean that they couldn't have the M3 out-perform the M5.
Making high RPM power with a turbo motor is easy if you don't mind turbo lag, the problem for M is satisfying both the people who want instant throttle response and low-RPM torque and the people who want huge turbos that can flow plenty of air and maintain 18psi of boost at 8,00RPM. I don't know if you've experienced an HPF car in person but they have some serious turbo lag, much more than most M drivers would be willing to put up with and waaayy more than an N54 or N55.

Search the web and you'll find some complaints about the MP4-12c's turbo lag, too. I read a forum post from an owner who said it felt pretty boring below 3,000RPM