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I agree with the cost of running the car being high but it is still the same car.
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The gt3 rs and the gt3 cup car are not the same....which is why the cup car costs over $100K more than the street version. It's not simply operating costs. They may resemble each other, but I guarantee everything from the suspension and engine tuning to the tires, engine components, brake and body panels are designed for specifically for the circuit.
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There is no way you can convert the customer M3 to a DTM machine and compete no matter how much you spend. The GT3 like the Evo and STi are homologated race cars detuned for the street which at a price you can race them where the M3 is not.
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The GT3 is not simply a "detuned" version of the cup car. That's way too much of an understatement. And the M3 is in fact converted into a racing machine...a lot of parts get swapped out for sure, but the car is fundamentally based on the design/package/and engine type of the street legal M3. But just like the GT3 Cup car, the M3 race version is a still a different beast from the retail version.
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Value is value. The M1 is not in the same league as a GT3 but in terms of value you're getting the same with those two cars. We can argue till hell freezes over but in the end I think we can agree, M cars such as the M5 as you mentioned are no longer special and the brand is being diluted for profit
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I'll stop bringing up the value issue because you aren't seeing my point. The M5 is a decent enough car, but not anything special, and I never said it was. My original post referred to the M3 and M6. I do think they are special cars, especially for their cost.
The M brand being diluted...well they still race versions of the M3 on the pro circuit. And we'll have to give the M4 a chance to breath before we pass judgement on its "racing legs."
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I'm not wearing a Porsche hat. Just being a consumer. The 997 GT3 has the same motor (GT1) and chassis as the cup car. That is a fact. Of course they will drive differently but facts are facts. The DNA is there good and bad. That was the case with the first M3 and the Evo and STi. If I was wearing a Porsche hat, I wouldn't buy any BMW M cars. They have their pros. But value is not one of them to me. Most here have agreed to that which is the whole point of the thread