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      05-01-2012, 08:00 PM   #77
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Interesting. When one thinks about it logically, in all likelihood, the new M3 performance gains will probably be more incremental. We know what the new 1M and M5/6 can do performance wise in a straight line and on a track, so the new M3's performance will be most likely between the current model M3/1M and the M5/6. Larger car, more fuel efficiency, slightly less weight, new technology that will most likely try to "mimic" the linear power delivery characteristics of the S65 but with more torque. We already know what a ~450 hp NA M3 can do with less weight and superior race-like suspension (the current M3 GTS and CRT). We have seen that chassis and driving dynamics wise, the new 3-series essentially is slightly better vs. the old. Also, if the old E60 M5 had the new M5's clutch, think there would be more debate as to which car is "better" driving experience wise. Seems pretty unlikely we'll see a quantum leap in performance, but ultimately, we'll see what happens!


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Originally Posted by mapezzul View Post
With the F10 M5 over 85% of the components were changed out completely or modified. With that much difference from the base model it is really no longer developmentally appropriate to utilize the same F code. With the F80 M3 even more of the components will be differing from the base car so the decision was made to move to an M F code rather than F30M.

It is not for the general population or enthusiasts it is more for internal documentation, supplier part numbering and testing. The basic underpinnings of the 5/6/7 are essentially the same as are the 1/3 just scaled differently. It is the other bits that are what makes it all so different.

This also allows the M variants to have different life cycles and be developed alongside the base car rather than after it. If you have noticed the M cars can now be completed more rapidly- the early involvement of M allows this. Instead of M waiting for the AG engineers to finalize something they can do there own thing (using the basic chassis in white) as they now have that ability.

The new 1 Series 3 door hatch is a prime example of this- M will be launching their version alongside the base version. In reality the F80 is not that far off but there are marketing reasons for its developmental pace to launch.

I talked with Dr. Nitschke on Sunday- he said that the technology they are using (F80) will be surprising and that should be the focus of attention rather than cylinder count or if "i" or "v". The car will surpass the E90 in every way possible- performance, efficiency and at the scales. He was more interested to discuss the US fascination with manuals in the M5 and M6.... (hint at the latter).

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