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Originally Posted by Powaup
I get that the C63 amg edition 507 is a great car and has the best hand built V8 engine but is it that good that even with a crappy automatic transmission it's better than an M4?
I'm obviously bias because I own an M4 and have never driven a C63 but I feel that the final result of the C63 wining the comparison is unfair when the M4 wins in suspension, breaking, transmission, price($10k less), technology and fuel consumption  |
Drive an LCI ('12+) car if you can. You'll enjoy it.
The transmission isn't necessarily a true automatic. There is no torque converter. It has been replaced by a wet start-up clutch.
As far as the suspension is concerned, my C63's suspension feels firmer than M4's (which I have driven; I liked it a lot). The steering feel on the C63 is very nice as well (firm; consistent, irrespective of driving mode). The steering feel on the M4 is lovely as well, just different (maybe a bit heavier in S+ with slightly less feedback).
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Originally Posted by BigMacSmallFries
These two quotes say it all. Can't believe the E9x destoryed the C63, and now all of a sudden the new M3 is having trouble keeping up with the C63 that was not considered a great driver's car at the time.
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The LCI C63 is actually faster around the 'ring than the E9X M3. The LCI C63 turned in a time of 8:01 whereas the E92 turned in a time of 8:05.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html
When the E9X M3 debuted, it was a step ahead of the C63. When the LCI C63 came out, the gap narrowed quite a bit as Mercedes-Benz/AMG gets pretty aggressive with their facelifts (e.g., the C63 received a new suspension, transmission, "Agility Select," etc.).
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Originally Posted by Year's_End
I'd say it's a well accomplished car that is better measured on its intangibles rather than objective paper stats. To be honest, my time with a facelifted model is minimal but I've had plenty of experience with the MY08-11 version. Personally, the engine's a dime piece; the transmission is completely mediocre.
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I agree that the MCT is mediocre when compared to fantastic transmissions like the M-DCT and the PDK.
However, in the abstract, it is actually a pretty good transmission (100-millisecond shifts). It is very smooth and proficient in all of the automatic modes. Downshifts could definitely be improved in M mode.
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Originally Posted by r3dbimmer89
M3 is a review that I am excitingly waiting for. A true apples to apples comparison. Both will be turbo charged with EPS etc.
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Agreed. The W205 will likely produce 476 horsepower in standard trim whereas the "S" model will receive 510 horsepower. Both cars are rumored to have around 480-495 lb-ft of torque (thanks to the turbos).