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I always agreed with S4AWD that the retail and gts M3 were very different from the DTM version. So that video he posted above isn't really necessary.

I took issue with S4AWD claiming that the only difference between the 997 gt3 rs and the cup car was a transmission swap and upgraded fuel cell. That's just plain untrue.

Earlier, I posted a link to an autoblog article which detailed the extreme differences in setup, components, cost, ect:
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/26/p...-of-frankfurt/

This argument between me and him started when he said:

Originally Posted by s4awd

The m3 race cars are carbon monocoque chassis with a 6 speed xtrac tranny and a P66 motor that shares nothing with the production car. The only M3 that was homologated for racing was the first M3. The 997 GT3 is the homologated race car for the road. Same engine chassis, etc. only swap is the fuel cell and 6 speed replaced by a dog box tranny.

No issue with what he said about the M3, but note the part in bold. I assumed he mean the gt3 rs, but if he was referring to the base gt3, then there is a whole other level of falsehood to his claim.

I provided him a link to an article that outlined the differences between the gt3 rs and cup car:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...et-review.html

But he refused to acknowledge that he was wrong.

Originally Posted by s4awd

I agree with the cost of running the car being high but it is still the same car. There is no way you can convert the customer M3 to a DTM machine and compete no matter how much you spend. The GT3 like the Evo and STi are homologated race cars detuned for the street which at a price you can race them

He continued to defend his claim and refused to acknowledge that there were greater differences than just the transmission and fuel cell.

Originally Posted by s4awd

I'm not wearing a Porsche hat. Just being a consumer. The 997 GT3 has the same motor (GT1) and chassis as the cup car. That is a fact. Of course they will drive differently but facts are facts.

Then he started to backtrack and acknowledged there were in fact greater differences between the gt3 rs and the cup car than just the previously claimed transmission and fuel cell swap, though he didn't acknowledge all of the differences. Note the part in bold:

Originally Posted by s4awd

Here is a video review of both rs and cup. Main difference as I mentioned is the tranny. Tires as well but overall, same chassis, same motor. No one is going to buy an RS and race. They buy a Cup car. It is sold through different channels. Fuel systems, wheels, electrical systems, etc are all different but the base is THE SAME.

He also claimed that a gt3 rs 3.8 was worth +200k on the used car market:

Originally Posted by s4awd

I purchased a 997.2 3.8 RS and it's going for up to $200k on the used market

S.Hasan546 posted links that showed otherwise:

Originally Posted by S.hasan546

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...US_Cars_Trucks

^Reputable dealer. Low-ish miles.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-...US_Cars_Trucks

Want one from a porsche dealer & only 2000 miles? sure here you go. $177k

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...rack-time.html

You were saying? I can show you overpriced cars for 911 turbos as well. That doesn't mean people get anywhere near those prices or that they actually sell them.

Originally Posted by Hoopumpers

Listen to the man. He knows what he's talking about.


Good posts

So in reply to this, no I don't think S4AWD knows what he is talking about. That or he is deliberately putting out misinformation in order to prove his points. Regardless of whatever smiley faces or videos he may post now, his initial claims about the value of the gt3 rs and its differences from the cup car were wrong.