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      10-20-2020, 04:26 PM   #77
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Originally Posted by chetrickerman View Post
Hold up, for the record, there is a big difference in boost threshold/ time to torque when running V-band T3 vs T4 twinscroll. I have seen 500-1,000 rpm spool difference between the v-band/T4 TS on the same turbo on multiple engines, which makes a huge difference in driving characteristics.

What kind of engines and platform? Did you see redesigns of the merge collector or see just slapped on vband flanges? My experience stems from testing a quantity of custom Comps, Garrets with Tial housings and some EFRs (7163, 7194 and 9180). I did not see anywhere close to this level of variance on any platform I've worked with (F22, K24, J32, 2jz, b18, ej257, 4g63 & lsx).

Worst I saw was a ~450rpm delta on a ej257 on a 76/108 compressor wheel + 42r turbine wheel on a custom garrett turbo (extended tip wheel), large frame compressor housing) but this was on a drag application and was a t6 vband. Granted this was still a POS subaru engine that doesn't breath at all, but you get the idea.

I think it's important to stress that tight radius bends, merge collector length and angle, as well as overall runner length play a larger role than going divided T4 than vband. It's not apples to apples to compare a super simple vband manifold with very short runners to a long runner front mount turbo on a s2000 f22 platform for example.

I'm not going to say I'm the end all be all expert on manifold design, but I've spent a good bit of time and built cars with real world results. I've also played with Quick spool valves and all sorts of other fun stuff, I am just mainly interested in building the fastest spooling (read, time to torque) m3 that I can get, and I'm between the G42 G series, custom comp and an EFR 9280 for my next setup.

to the OP: If your manifold is 304L would you take an extra payment and make it in 321?
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