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I got threatened with a ban for saying that an M3 with "a 'smoother' auto transmission, less harsh suspension and better acceleration from a stop light already exists and is called an M440i xDrive. Many people who buy an M3 for the badge and complain to BMW about these things could have saved themselves a lot of money".

I had numerous technical posts modified, deleted or moved to other threads.

I stopped reading the G80 forum completely weeks ago... it's basically a waste of life and there's no new information that isn't just marketing fluff. I don't care about grills. I care about how the car will drive and BMW are curiously silent about that. Everything we know makes me think that this is an Audi RS5 under the hood with Mustang/Camaro/Lexus aesthetics.

The only thing I know for sure so far is that the people this car is being marketed to aren't the kind of company I want to be associated with. BMW drivers already have a bad enough rep - and images of F&F coked up 20-somethings screaming at their M4 steering wheels and driving in reverse don't appeal to me.

I was pleasantly reassured to find this thread and discover that many of the people whose posts and opinions I have appreciated over the last many years had a similar experience.

I dearly hoped that the G8x would be the car I wanted to own next. I am far from convinced, but don't see many alternatives. Too big. Too heavy. Too generic. Too ugly. (in my opinion)