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My guess? DCT is more common, and as time goes on the DCT tech will lose its luster and become obsolete. Manual never be becomes obsolete, and there are less of them.
Look back at every previous M3. Do you think the manual of its iteration of automatic is more desirable? Answer is the same: Manual. |
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I'm still impressed by the pairing of the transmission and engine. Such a great experience!
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6MT has the perception of being desirable within the enthusiast community and has a much lower inventory - those two factors make it worth more on resale. I think they will continue to hold a premium relative to the market price of a comparable DCT car, as they always do as performance cars age.
I do think that the F8X is engineered as DCT focused platform and doesn't necessarily have the features that seemingly make a manual E30, 36, and 46 so highly prized - NA high revving motor, lightweight & nimble chasis, short wheelbase, awful SMG alternative (E46 specific), etc. So i'm interested to see how much higher value holds for 6MT over time with the F8X platform specifically. None of this is an opinion of 6MT vs DCT btw... not trying to derail the thread with that BS.
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SCH is not great for the reputation of the platform - it will be the "water pump" of the car. |
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Also not trying to "spin" this thread into a SCH thread, don't want to deal with that BS either. (As in the back and forth between SCH and Non-SCH people)
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The flip side of that is: there are fewer 6MTs out there because there was less demand for them from the customers in the first place.
Now, you could argue that 6MT might have lower cost of ownership over the long term, thus the used car market may have higher % demand for 6MT vs. DCT. a
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This was also 2 hours after doing stage 2 BM3 tune -- totally unrelated, it was 100% operator error.
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It is looking like the F80 M3 is actually a pretty darn reliable car. Alas, with no new one coming tomorrow (it is late next year I think), I think people are starting to realize "crap, this car is pretty good"
nice video here explaining how there really is not much out there that is better. and yes, Manuals were much lower production - and want one with a sunroof? Good luck! and man, I agree, the SCH thing is so over blown.
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That is mostly to do with the fact that there are significantly LESS manual cars. Therefore the chance of you seeing someone post about a SCH with a 6mt will already by default be lower.
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I don't really get the point of your thread. There's nothing in the OP that substantiates the claim of the thread title...
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To be fair, you can still order one of those
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Based on this thread, there are 32 SCH 6MT reported events vs 55 for DCT. Since the DCT outsells the 6MT 5.4x to 1, this means that a 6MT is 3.14 times more likely to suffer a spun crank hub than a DCT .
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The cheapest 6MT/DCT M3/M4 500 miles from San Francisco is $35,995. There are currently 19 M3/M4 cars cheaper than the 6MT M3 in the sample market. Quote:
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The best explanation I heard was that new car buyers and used car buyers are different.
Most new car buyers want the best and fastest (ie DCT) which doesn’t necessarily means the best residual. When they are finished (lease) with the car they buy another new car. Most second hand buyers for M3/M4 are car enthusiast looking for driving experience and pleasure. They are cost and maintenance conscientious and concern about future repairs.
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I have not voted on that thread and I have not spun my crank hub. With over 100+ combined track days on my F8X, I sure don't drive like a grandma. There are many others who have not spun their crank hub that have not voted on this thread. My point is that we can get the numbers to say anything we want...
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But we don't - my late night calculation says 540 people with DCT responded vs. 245 with manual. So the entire thing is bunk - but I think we knew that.
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